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Standard User BillBux
(newbie) Fri 28-Apr-23 06:02:32
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10Mbit Hub providing speeds greater than 10Mbit


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Hello,
I have an Allied Telesyn AT-RH509BE 10Mbit network hub I use with some older legacy equipment like a 3C509B NIC for the DOS 6.22 machines. I have a few other cards with an AUI transceiver as well that are hooked into the network. In addition I have a BNC connector hooked to the 10-Base-2 network ring over 50 Ohm coax with proper terminators.

I have a modern PC on the network that is using a 3C905C NIC and I'm seeing speeds which exceed 10Mbit. These speeds, at times, can create a collision storm when transferring large files.

Any ideas why I'm seeing more than 10Mbit?

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Bill
Standard User smouty
(committed) Sat 29-Apr-23 09:41:03
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Re: 10Mbit Hub providing speeds greater than 10Mbit


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Whoa. This is going back a bit now.

Just some thoughts. Is it because it is a hub and not a switch? I seem to recall that is why back in the day we used token ring (I work in a banking environment) and moved to switches when they became available.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 29-Apr-23 10:02:26
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Re: 10Mbit Hub providing speeds greater than 10Mbit


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In reply to a post by BillBux:
Any ideas why I'm seeing more than 10Mbit?
Are you sending more than 10 Mbit or receiving more than 10 Mbit?

I recall (years ago) some network theory about you can dump packets faster into a technology than they can be received, so they get lost.

Switches can buffer enough to slow down fast senders, so a 1Gbit source communicating with a 100 Mbit (or even 10 Mbit) is told to slow down. I doubt a hub has the ability to do this.

Pheasant would probably know...

(And a 3C509... wow... history!)

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Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Sat 29-Apr-23 10:06:08
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If it's genuinely a hub not a switch - as it appears to be - then it is half-duplex. Only one device can be transmitting at any time, just like a wireless network, or homeplug extenders.

It's therefore impossible to transfer at more than 10Mbps, and the typical achievable throughput I would expect would be more like 4Mbps.

If you're seeing faster speeds than this, then I have to ask, how are you measuring those speeds? Most likely it's an artefact of the testing software, e.g. it's stuffing data into buffers and counting this as "sent" even before it's actually gone out of the NIC. This varies with different test sites, but people have reported that fast.com is particularly prone to this problem, reporting speeds like 1.5Gbps on a gigabit connection.

The only other possibility would be if it's a 10/100 hub (those were rare beasts!) and so you're running 100M half-duplex.

You should be able to check with your NIC status what speed has been negotiated. At least, under Linux you can do this with ethtool. I have no idea how you'd do it with DOS 6.22 smile
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