SOGEA and filters

I was just pondering if I am switched to SOGEA so there is no voice on the line do I need to keep the filter on the NTE5 or can I remove the filter and refit the old voice bottom plate of the NTE5 which I have kept?

Seems to me that with no voice on the line I don't need the filter and reverting to the original significantly lower profile plain NTE5 would be preferable. Part of me also thinks that a filter must have a non-zero impact on the xDSL signal so getting rid of it is no bad thing?

With no phones plugged in you don't need a filter. The only benefit of a filter would be converting a phone socket to a data socket.

So, if you put the old voice plate on how are you planning to plug the router into it?

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

Part of me also thinks that a filter must have a non-zero impact on the xDSL signal so getting rid of it is no bad thing?

The filter does nothing to the DSL port otherwise it wouldn't work. it filters the DSL signal FROM the voice port. Without a filter you wouldn't have an RJ11 socket, so you would need a custom RJ11 to BT-jack cable. I wouldn't say its worth the hassle.

I know Sky now send out PSTN jack to RJ11 cables with their routers for SOGEA provides, (an RJ11 to RJ11 lead also) ….so I dare say they can be easily picked up .

One of these into the NTE restored to its original faceplate would work a treat.

You don't need a micro filter. What you need is simply an NTE5C Master Socket like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/NTE5C-OpenReach-Telephone-M...
This basically has an inbuilt filter that rids the need of an additional micro filter.

However, the telephone port is useless as it will not return any dial tone on SOGEA. So, what I have is basically BT FTTC with Digital Voice service. Telephone gets plugged into the router or alternatively you use the BT Advanced Digital Home Phone with Alexa built-in and register it with the router once by pressing WPS button on the router to register it.

Phone calls work that way. Your connection will be naturally more reliable and maybe gain a few megs more as the voice dial tone removal in Digital Voice eliminates any possible noise interference's caused by the phone line. If you've ever had connection drop outs when picking up the phone when it was ringing on Analog Voice you'll no longer suffer from this problem under Digital Voice.

Seems like the OP has an older type of NTE5 currently fitted with a Pressac type combined ADSL RJ11 socket and filtered phone socket lower plate that replaces the standard, phone socket only, lower plate. Perhaps he finds the bulk of the ADSL plate to be objectionable and wishes to use the standard phone socket only lower plate that he has kept. Fitting a new NTE5C would be quite unnecessary if that is the case. As has been stated the phone socket only lower plate together with a PSTN jack to RJ11 cable would be fine for SOGEA.

Your connection will be naturally more reliable and maybe gain a few megs more as the voice dial tone removal in Digital Voice eliminates any possible noise interference's caused by the phone line. If you've ever had connection drop outs when picking up the phone when it was ringing on Analog Voice you'll no longer suffer from this problem under Digital Voice

This is not correct.

The noise on a noisy line (PSTN) fault is nearly always due to a line fault, most commonly an HR. The loss of the dialling tone from the exchange won’t stop the HR affecting the DSL signal down the pair. Just as it won’t make the service any faster.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

You don't need a micro filter. What you need is simply an NTE5C Master Socket like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/NTE5C-OpenReach-Telephone-M...
This basically has an inbuilt filter that rids the need of an additional micro filter.

errm i'm sure you may wish to revise that statement.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Phone calls work that way. Your connection will be naturally more reliable and maybe gain a few megs more as the voice dial tone removal in Digital Voice eliminates any possible noise interference's caused by the phone line. If you've ever had connection drop outs when picking up the phone when it was ringing on Analog Voice you'll no longer suffer from this problem under Digital Voice.

No you won't gain a few megs, Theres nothing extra gained from the analog phone portion being removed. The only way you'd gain anything is if the frequencies were re-assigned for xDSL!. And that aint gonna happen. You can still have drop outs on DV, due to bandwidth issues.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I know Sky now send out PSTN jack to RJ11 cables with their routers for SOGEA provides, (an RJ11 to RJ11 lead also) ….so I dare say they can be easily picked up .

Its the same cable dialup modems used so should be pretty easy to find.