Dave moved off FreeView?

I caught something along the bottom of the TV last henight - just caught the end with it saying "Virgin & Sky users won't have to re-tune", or something?

Dave wasn't on the Humax TV-R OR my TV card on the PC - Have they taken it off FreeView, it won't appear when I re-tune.

Anyone else?

On Ch 19 here after the retune.

I reset then re-tuned, but no Dave - It's a bit of a pain.

At least it's still on - Cheers Bill.

I'll get the dish checked.

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

I'll get the dish checked.

Freeview...Dish????

Communal Sat Dishes.- for freesat / freeview or sky - our individual choice[s].

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

I caught something along the bottom of the TV last henight - just caught the end with it saying "Virgin & Sky users won't have to re-tune", or something?

I thought it was just Dave +1 that needed retune

More Info

Definately not Freeview if through a dish ... if it is Freeview then there must be a standard antenna too.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Definately not Freeview if through a dish ... if it is Freeview then there must be a standard antenna too.

Thanks - I didn't want to start an argument..........

Sorry, he is wrong - It's a communal satellite dish that replaced the communal standard ariel.

It was put up for Digital TV.

If I want freesat or sky they have to re-align it for the appropriate satellite. I know this for a fact because I had to get the sat. changed when I had a freesat box. I prefer freeview, so changed back.

It's definitely a DISH.

Cheers for that, Kenneth.

I'm glad you posted that because it made me check for Dave Ja Vu. It's not there either. I'll re-scan once the recordings finished.

Dish only now, the ordinary antenna was removed a while back. It is FreeView.

Perhaps this will help clarify?

http://www.techradar.com/news/television/freeview-vs...

It's a minor point, but you are receiving FreeSat, not FreeView.................

No I'm not, honestly

Freesat is 150 channels - NO Dave, Virgin 1, Fiver, Five US etc.

Freeview - less channels, but has the above.

Incidentally, I got Dave back last night.

Thanks all!

*Added: I don't have Sky. It's [2] COMMUNAL DIGITAL SATELLITE DISHES that can receive different things. They are owned by the council and both dishes are used by 9 private owners / tenants.

Edited by deleted (Sun 04-Jul-10 12:22:01)

Post deleted by JonRennie

A Humax Freeview Digital TV receiver / recorder.

I've had Freesat but prefer Freeview for the reasons I'd explained above.

HD was ok, but it uses more space for the recordings.

Just in case anyone is reading this thread and is confused:-

Freeview is a terrestrial digital TV sevice received through a regular terrestrial aerial at UHF frequencies.

Freesat/FreeSatfromSky/Sky digital are digital TV services received via a satellite dish pointed at 28.2 E, (Fixed), at microwave frequencies.

I was ony confused at what other posters to this thread were confused by.

Edited by gomezz (Sun 04-Jul-10 15:02:15)

In reply to a post by gomezz:

I was ony confused at what other posters to this thread were confused by.

Try this then: "If I want freesat or sky they have to re-align it for the appropriate satellite. I know this for a fact because I had to get the sat. changed when I had a freesat box. I prefer freeview, so changed back."

I've just twigged what the OP is attempting to say.
He only has one co-ax connection to his flat which can either be connected, by the management company, to a terrestrial aerial or satellite dish.

Yup, you said it!

He thinks tat I still have a freeSAT box. LOL.

Lost me - but no matter.

If the signal is being received via a dish then surely it must be freesat. Freeview is not available from satellites - only terrestrial arials (as far as I'm aware). Oh well - no matter. I'm glad I have a simple sytem on my own house that involves Freeview via the ordinary arial, and international freesat from hotbird via the large dish....

I think he's suggesting that the other end of the flat's cable is either plugged into the communal dish (Sky/Freesat) or communal aerial (terrestrial/Freeview) according to the occupier's choice.

In reply to a post by Garyilka:

international freesat from hotbird via the large dish

ITYM FTA satellite, *not* Freesat.

I do indeed mean Free to Air - sorry about that! In my case it's to pick up Russian Television for my Mother in Law - we get more Russian stations here than she used to get in Russia!!

The FreeView is available via the dish - there is NO standard aerial here.

So, where is the dish pointing?

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

The FreeView is available via the dish - there is NO standard aerial here.

Then it is not Freeview, The only way you would get Freeview via satellite is if the terrestrial transmission is chucked up to satellite and then dumped back down to earth and it is not.

If your T.v is via a dish, then it is is either Freesat, Sky or some other satellite service and as far as I know Dave is not available for free on Dsat. just had a look, I am right, it is not on freesat.


If you got a freeview box and getting Dave, then you are connected via a aerial.

I use the Astra satellite - http://www.astra2d.com/

EuroSat is for freesat / Sky.

And where does it say that Freeview is available on the Astra2D satellite?

I only pay for my TV license - The rest is free. I had to buy the Humax Freeview recorder, but that's it.

Check http://www.astra2d.com/ for more info.

As I said earlier, there are no aerials here mate.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

The FreeView is available via the dish - there is NO standard aerial here.

Then it is not Freeview, The only way you would get Freeview via satellite...

He said he gets Freeview via a dish, he didn't say he gets it via satellite... there's no particular reason why you can't use a dish instead of a Yagi aerial for receiving terrestrial TV transmissions, though it would be a bit unusual.

Give up guys, it's like trying to reason with my 5yr old grandaughter.

I just say "You know best Dear", and leave it at that.

It always has to be considered that when he says "There are no standard aerials here" that he could be right... he lives there, after all!

Everyone seems to have made the assumption that because it comes via a dish that it must be from a satellite... doesn't have to be.

In reply to a post by billford:

Everyone seems to have made the assumption that because it comes via a dish that it must be from a satellite... doesn't have to be.

I quote from the OP: "If I want freesat or sky they have to re-align it for the appropriate satellite. I know this for a fact because I had to get the sat. changed when I had a freesat box. I prefer freeview, so changed back."

If it were communal does the OP rule the roost?

In reply to a post by Stevenage_Neil:

In reply to a post by billford:

Everyone seems to have made the assumption that because it comes via a dish that it must be from a satellite... doesn't have to be.

I quote from the OP: "If I want freesat or sky they have to re-align it for the appropriate satellite. I know this for a fact because I had to get the sat. changed when I had a freesat box. I prefer freeview, so changed back."

Fair point, perhaps the OP made the same assumption?

But a dish design for satellite will be totally different to a dish being used for UHF terrestrial. The feed for example - with an LNB for a satellite dish and not on a terrestrial one. And it is apparently coming through Astra 2B !

The OP knows best..................

In reply to a post by MHC:

But a dish design for satellite will be totally different to a dish being used for UHF terrestrial. The feed for example - with an LNB for a satellite dish and not on a terrestrial one. And it is apparently coming through Astra 2B !

Apart from size, one parabolic dish is much the same as another... and if they're up on the roof the OP may not even be able to see what's at the focus.

Let's wait and see if he's explained things poorly or you've all misinterpreted him. Or both. Or something else.

Edited by billford (Tue 06-Jul-10 17:46:25)

And where does it say that Freeview is available on the Astra2D satellite?

To be honest, I can't say for sure, I CAN'T see up that high?

It is via the Satellite dish, and there is NO subscriptions for FreeView.

There's more salient info than that I could share with you - but I now see no point really.

Thanks for the laugh though!

FACT - Freeview is a terrestrial service, it does not use a satellite. Even the Astra2D page you have linked to tells you that.

FACT - Astra 2D does not transmit Dave and if you want to check look at the channel list.

In reply to a post by MHC:

FACT - Freeview is a terrestrial service, it does not use a satellite. Even the Astra2D page you have linked to tells you that.

FACT - Astra 2D does not transmit Dave and if you want to check look at the channel list.

FACT: IT'S A DISH.

FACT: DAVE IS BACK - YAHOO!

FACT:

So, you explain how a terrestrial service is being delivered by a satellite bearer.

I can't explain it but I have similar system! - 40+ flats, 2 dishes (Astra 2 + something else, I think - can't find the paperwork at present) + some esoteric switching/consolidation hardware (which broke at the weekend!))
Currently being upgraded to support Sky plus - i.e. twin cables to each point, rather than a single feed.
Facilities available at each (new) point - twin satellite connections, analogueTV connection - incl Freeview, FM/DAB Radio service.

In reply to a post by MHC:

So, you explain how a terrestrial service is being delivered by a satellite bearer.

Have I? That's good it's helped you sort it out finally.

Re: Check http://www.astra2d.com/ for more info.

I see nothing on this link that indicates that Freeview can be received by a dish.

Re: ...To be honest, I can't say for sure, I CAN'T see up that high?

So HOW can you be SO adamant that you are connected to a dish and not an aerial???
Perhaps you only THINK ( been ) told that you are connected to a DISH and that there is an AERIAL up there that you are totally unaware of ???

I agree with earlier posts that the frequenies capable of being received by an AERIAL are very different to those capable by a DISH


See Link for expanation of ?? possible source of confusion on the part of OP Especially the reference to having an AERIAL 'link through' on the TV itself

http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/Sky.htm#Freeview

Edited by deleted (Tue 06-Jul-10 23:16:03)

Just to re-emphasise the point
Freeveiw is transmitted by a terrestial TV mast e.g. Emley Moor.

These transmissions CANNOT be received by a satellite dish.

- look at link in my previous post for the detail on this aspect of the debate.

Reference :- So FREEVIEW Channels you ONLY receive through an Aerial and a Digital Terrestrial TV (DTT) Receiver (which is also known as a set top box or Freeview box) NOT SATELLITE.

In all honesty this reference should really settle the debate

Edited by deleted (Tue 06-Jul-10 23:33:48)

Aye, it's very good too.

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

Freeveiw is transmitted by a terrestial TV mast e.g. Emley Moor.

These transmissions CANNOT be received by a satellite dish.

But there is nothing to prevent them being received by a dish aerial... although it would need to be fairly big, 2m plus at a guess.

Personally I think there's probably a Yagi somewhere that the OP hasn't spotted, but the doggedness with which the posters in this thread insist that a dish must be pointing at a satellite is truly amazing

Re ...Personally I think there's probably a Yagi somewhere that the OP hasn't spotted,

My view also as I stated in one of my posts.

Re: ....but the doggedness with which the posters in this thread insist that a dish must be pointing at a satellite is truly amazing

BUT probaably accurate

The laws of physics relating to the electro-magnetic spectrum haven't been changed by the 'new' coalition government have they ????

Edited by deleted (Tue 06-Jul-10 23:51:36)

In reply to a post by MHC:

Definately not Freeview if through a dish ... if it is Freeview then there must be a standard antenna too.

http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/Guest_Again/?a...

See, Satellite > Dish > My TV's via Humax for TV // and Hauppauge PCI card in PC = Freeview via satellite.

Simples.

I could get Sky or FreeSat...blah... blah.. blah~

I know what I'm talking about - I have many TV solutions available - I opted for freeview. For now, maybe.

Interesting that you appear to be ignoring the points I made in my posts.

Would this be; perchance; that they undermine your argument ???

If you would care to point out where the author of my refernces is wrong when it states that you cannot receive Freeview via a satellite dish

BTW I think Dave is total carp, but thats only my opinion.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Jul-10 00:03:38)

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

Interesting that you appear to be ignoring the points I made in my posts.

Would this be; perchance; that they undermine your argument ???

If you would care to point out where the author of my refernces is wrong when it states that you cannot receive Freeview via a satellite dish

http://www.totalsat.co.uk/communal-sat-tv-pm-2.html

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

The laws of physics relating to the electro-magnetic spectrum haven't been changed by the 'new' coalition government have they ????

Indeed not, but the laws of physics have got nothing to do with this- it's convenience and economics.

The performance of a dish aerial is determined purely by the ratio of its diameter to the wavelength in use, from memory I think that ratio is about 20 for TV satellites and standard dishes.

So to pick up terrestrial Freeview with the same aerial performance you'd need a dish about 12 metres across... but a smaller one would still work at lower performance and be perfectly adequate because of the higher signal strength available.

Terrestrial TV frequencies are in a sort of transition zone for convenient use, at the high end for ordinary aerials and the low end for dishes. But you could build a dish to pick up the BBC radio transmissions on 198kHz (~1500 metres) if you really wanted to, the laws of physics don't have anything to say on the matter...

I've given up too.

He cannot accept or understand !

Even the link he provides states that Freeview is terrestrial.

In reply to a post by MHC:

I've given up too.

He cannot accept or understand !

Even the link he provides states that Freeview is terrestrial.

http://www.totalsat.co.uk/communal-sat-tv-pm-2.html

Not sure of the frequencies but there ARE BBC radio stations on it - World Service too iirc.

Only have to lookup Digiguide to see them.

And what does that show?

And your link does not say that Freeview is available over satellite.

It shows the Communal Satellite TV and Integrated Reception System as stated by the OP.

Complete with a typical aerial designed for reception of terrestrial broadcasts. And not use of a satellite dish for Freeview.

There's lots of them http://www.onastra.co.uk/housing/integrated-receptio...

In reply to a post by MHC:

And not use of a satellite dish for Freeview.

Why do you insist on talking about a satellite dish for Freeview?

I think there's probably a Yagi there as well, but there doesn't have to be...

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by MHC:

And not use of a satellite dish for Freeview.

Why do you insist on talking about a satellite dish for Freeview?

I think there's probably a Yagi there as well, but there doesn't have to be...

Why?

Because the OP stated he uses a DISH pointed at Astra2B to receive Freeview.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/3871641-...
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/3872682-...

And they will all use normal terrestrial antennas to receive Freeview. None of them use dishes pointed at a satellite to receive terrestrial transmissions.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Because the OP stated he uses a DISH pointed at Astra2B to receive Freeview.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/3871641-...
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/3872682-...

Your first link doesn't even mention satellite... and you've completely missed the point.

I know he's not picking up Freeview from a satellite as well as you do, but it doesn't mean that it's impossible to pick it up via a dish. Unlikely I'll agree, but not impossible.

Follow the reply to my first link which is: http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/3871660-...

and the reply to that where the OP states:

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

Communal Sat Dishes.- for freesat / freeview or sky - our individual choice[s].

The OP is the one insisting that a satellite dish pointed at Astra2B provides Freeview and refuses to accept he is wrong.

In reply to a post by MHC:

The OP is the one insisting that a satellite dish pointed at Astra2B provides Freeview and refuses to accept he is wrong.

If you care to read it that way... I'm assuming that the OP is using the term colloquially and isn't being as pedantic as others.

Dish can be used colloquially but Astra2B confirms it is a sat dish and being used as such.

You know and I know that somewhere there is either: Yagi, Log Periodic, Folded Log Periodic, Log Periodic Dipole, ... which is used to receive terrestrial Freeview.

In reply to a post by MHC:

You and I think it by far the most probable that somewhere there is either: Yagi, Log Periodic, Folded Log Periodic, Log Periodic Dipole, ... which is used to receive terrestrial Freeview.

Corrected it for for you.

I make no claim to omniscience.

I called the council regarding the dish, and they contacted the company that put them up.

The company that installed the dish (very re¬iably) informed him that iit is the same Satellite that Sky can be received from...

..FreeSat AND FreeView are on it too - It definitely IS ASTRA.

I hope that this information assists any others looking for FreeView etc via a Satellite dish.



edited: typo.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Jul-10 17:58:34)

Even more that do not know what they are saying.

FREEVIEW IS A TERRESTRIAL SERVICE AND DOES NOT USE SATELLITE DELIVERY.

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

Sorry, he is wrong - It's a communal satellite dish that replaced the communal standard ariel.

It was put up for Digital TV.

If I want freesat or sky they have to re-align it for the appropriate satellite. I know this for a fact because I had to get the sat. changed when I had a freesat box. I prefer freeview, so changed back.

It's definitely a DISH.

Um, its a communal dish, which needed to be realigned/changed depending on whether one required freeview or freesat?

So, if you had it realigned when you changed from freesat to freeview, what did the other occupants do? presumably they all changed from freesta/sky to freeview, whether they wanted to or not?

I'm not being pedantic (heck, the orginal question was simply "is Dave still on freeview"), simply interested in how this works!

German Freeview is OK if you like German programmes. I don't.

Ask a dish engineer / installer would be the best idea - I just watch the TV.

Either the OP is dumber than a fence post or this is a wind up - I'm unsure at the moment.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Jul-10 17:54:09)

In reply to a post by Stevenage_Neil:

Either the OP is dumber than a fence post or this is a wind up - I'm unsure at the moment.

Maybe it's you?

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by Stevenage_Neil:

Either the OP is dumber than a fence post or this is a wind up - I'm unsure at the moment.

Maybe it's you?

Well he did have to edit his post?

I did too, but for a typo.

He may want to speak to a sat. tech guy - I did before. ROFL.

Those guys know what they're talking about.

Yes, they sure don't. lol.

One of the Astra links I posted was a video - low volume (oops), but it SHOWS freesat / freeview etc.

They may want to turn the volume up (it's a vid), I say to them about it? Just even look at the wee pic changing where the mouse goes. It IS obvious.



http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/3872877-...

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Jul-10 21:18:36)

Thank you.

I have yet to see on any of the links provided by the supporters of your view that
Freeview as opposed to Freesat; can be received from Astra2b.

It is not on that platform Freeview is a Terrestial transmission.

You know, coming from Earth not space. ....come in Major Tom.....

I have two satellite dishs; one which is portable, which I use with my caravan ; and one fixed at home.
I also have two digital aerials, again caravan and home.

Can you explain to me why I cannot receive Freeview from Astra 2b via either dish, but can from both aerials????

I know the answer but I'm not sure you are willing to listen.

The Astra site also shows a picture of your "dish".

http://astra2d.com/freeview.html

As I said, repeatedly, it was the Astra satellite that I thought it was, and the call made today confirmed it. Thankfully.

Feel free to check with a professional dish installer.

I'm not one, I just use it.

No it didn't.

Again, read through the thread and you'll see more on it, and others.

Contact a Satellite DISH tech like I did before.

http://freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-Freeview-ava...

http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/Sky.htm#Freeview

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=...

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

http://freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-Freeview-ava...

The evidence is overwhelming that Freeview can only be received via an aerial

If Freeview can be received via satellite, why in hells teeth do Freeview themselves say it can't.????

Edited by deleted (Thu 08-Jul-10 14:57:08)

Freeview say lots of things that aren't actually so. But in this case it is so.

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

http://freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-Freeview-ava...

The evidence is overwhelming that Freeview can only be received via an aerial

Except there are two posters in this thread that ARE.
Which tends to undermine your case

I had a similar problem . Dave Ja Vu needed a retune to connect (came up as an on-screen message). I retuned - no Dave or Dave Ja Vu !! Retuned again, everything OK. Suggest you just keep trying.....

Good luck.

QED

Have you found the terrestrial antenna yet?

I'm sure I will get flamed for this.... but what the hell...

I can't believe how angry/upset this post is making some people...... quite frankly over something that doesn't have much relivance to the topic anymore.

The OP said he lost Dave.... and that he is using freeview. At this point one could think that it could be issues with his ariel.... but he later posted that Dave has come back... problem solved.

I don't see why everyone is so eager to prove the OP wrong about how he receives freeview. From the posts its obvious he is not going to back down that its from a dish, and without anyone else seeing the premises, how can you argue against him.

It may be fact that freeview can't be received from a satalite, but whats to say that his dish isn't some sort of hybrid system which incorporates a normal antenna for freeview? Pointing at the ASTRA2B satalite for freesat and picking up normal freeview through its antenna.

Whether this is the case or not..... who cares?

Just leave it die....

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

http://freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-Freeview-ava...

The evidence is overwhelming that Freeview can only be received via an aerial

Except there are two posters in this thread that ARE.
Which tends to undermine your case

So who are we to believe ???

Freeview - who provide the terrestial service - or some posters on this forum ??
So far from undermining, it reinforces the point

BTW mattewan

And how often is the arrangement you describe likely to be implemented in a provision for a run-of-the-mill multi-occupancy set up??

Also, I'm certainly not upset, can't speak for others of course.
I find the "mental gymnastics" that some people employ who 'prove' their case when they are clearly incorrect, all very entertaining.

It is known as:
Rationalization (psychology), the process of constructing a logical justification for a decision that was originally arrived at through a different mental process

Also, In an earlier post I made reference to the Astra2B I did of course mean Astra2D for the UK. Thought I was back in Espana with the caravan.

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

Also, In an earlier post I made reference to the Astra2B I did of course mean Astra2D for the UK. Thought I was back in Espana with the caravan.

I guest you were confused.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by Gypsydog:

Also, In an earlier post I made reference to the Astra2B I did of course mean Astra2D for the UK. Thought I was back in Espana with the caravan.

I guest you were confused.

i personally Guest_Not!

To finish this - I got Dave back.that's that.

I could take pics from Google Earth, and actually SHOW the satellite dishes -but have no reason to do so, ergo..

I could film my equipment in place actually using the signal, but, I have no need to have to this...

There are others in this thread that use a similar set-up. It IS possible, obviously. It works here.
I called the appropriate people to confirm which satellite was being used as MHC had asked. Job done. I wasn't aware that there was nothing to be learned as far as he, and others were concerned.

I recommended calling a dish installer for clarification on this matter, and to perhaps enquire how it can be acheived themselves, as THEY can't manage it. It might be of benefit to you, GD.

I've done as much as I care to regarding this and now consider this topic closed. Thanks to all who contributed seriously to my original topic.

Thanks folks.

Steven.

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

I could take pics from Google Earth, and actually SHOW the satellite dishes

Course you could..............

Glad you got Dave back - although I wouldn't miss it anyway!

communal sattelite dishes can be used to get freeview. they do that on my RAF camp.

No they can't. It is being used to receive the FTA satellite channels presumably Freesat or possibly Freesat from Sky. Freeview channels are broadcast from terrestrial transmitters not from satellites.

Edited by gomezz (Sun 21-Aug-11 09:52:19)

Is there a way to get Dave on freesat?.

Hard one - Best thing to is google it...?

Take a look here~~~>> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UT...

Were you trolling or are you just plain ignorant? LOL.

Dave has recently been removed from the Tacolneston Freeview mux - anyone know why?

Richard B

In reference to communaltv.sky.com:

Q1: What does a Communal Solution based on IRS look like?
 
A: It typically comprises a satellite dish of about 78cm across and two aerials on the roof (one for TV and one for radio), and an indoor cabinet for switches and cabling.

Is slightly confused but still getting Dave on Terrestial Freeview here on ch. 19.

In reply to a post by tommy_boi:

Is there a way to get Dave on freesat?.

It's not on the Freesat epg.
AFAIK it's FTV so you will need a Sky Box plus card

Dave is NOT FTV, it's a Sky subscription channel in the multi-channel Entertainment Pack (£20/m).

It's on Freeview and can't be viewed on satellite without subscription.

Post-DSO for the Tacolneston transmitter Dave has moved to the new ArqA MUX on UHF channel 45. This means you may need a new wideband aerial to pick up this MUX which may be out of band for your current aerial.