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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Feb-15 23:12:16
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Looking at updating the computer a bit, geting a AMD FX8350 CPU and a corsair H80I water cooling system.

I seen some H80I on amazon via Scan for £58,Manufacturer refurbished. this is a fair bit less than a new one, the only problem is it only have a 3 month warranty.

what do anyone think of this?

Is it worht spending the extraon a new one or will these be fine?

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Standard User rogerfp
(learned) Sat 28-Feb-15 00:19:05
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Bit of a Catch 22 stituation this. I've had a few Corsair water coolers for a few years and bought the H80i last year for my AMD FX9590 and it cools it just fine. Never had a problem with any of them. I did change the stock H80i fans for Compucase CF-V12HP Cougar Fans from Amazon as they are quieter, but push thru as much air. I suppose the most likely fault would be the pump failing. They are well made so probably unlikely that the rad or pipes will leak. The one you are looking at I think is plus carriage at £5. I noticed there is a brand new one from Germany on Amazon for £70.85 inc carriage. That's what I would choose for peace of mind.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B009ZN03AA/...
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 28-Feb-15 10:01:19
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Bit of a Catch 22 stituation this. I've had a few Corsair water coolers for a few years and bought the H80i last year for my AMD FX9590 and it cools it just fine. Never had a problem with any of them. I did change the stock H80i fans for Compucase CF-V12HP Cougar Fans from Amazon as they are quieter, but push thru as much air. I suppose the most likely fault would be the pump failing. They are well made so probably unlikely that the rad or pipes will leak. The one you are looking at I think is plus carriage at £5. I noticed there is a brand new one from Germany on Amazon for £70.85 inc carriage. That's what I would choose for peace of mind.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B009ZN03AA/...



cheers, I have seen one that is not from German and direct from Amazon, it is £74.99 and free postage, about £9 cheaper than from other places.

I see you got the higher chip that I am getting, my board can not take that one, which is why I am going for the 8350, it will do for me and I will get a decent AMD r9 card, not too mad, but maybe the r9 270/280 ish, depnding on what deal I can get.

I was going for the H100i, but it will not fit in my case without some cutting, I thought it would as my case is not small, it is a Haf 912Plus. but it don't.
so what is the H80i like at cooling your beast then?

My computer will mainly be use for video editing and effects, no games or very few and then only stuff that takes little resources.


My idea is to update the machine for another 5 years and see how I feel and what the money situation is then.
Hopefully i will get back to full health and nothing happens for another 15 to 20 years.

My idea this time is

The CPU FX 8350
the liquid cooling
A decent video card, not too pricy, but enough to last.
A larger SSD, maybe a corsiar 480, but no rush.
some more memory, but no rush for that, will wait until I get back to work.

I got the money to do it , but I also need to keep some back just in case ESA and benefit mucks up before i go back to work, whihc they may do and then I have no where to live smile

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Standard User rogerfp
(learned) Sat 28-Feb-15 11:21:08
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Good decision, 3 months warranty isn't very long.
My setup is as follows:-
Lian Aluminium case
2 front 120mm fans (inlet)
1 top 140mm fan (exhaust )
Only space for 1 x 120mm at rear so hence opted for H80i, same as you, push pull from outside in.
The FX9590 isn't even supplied with any cooler as at 4.7Ghz it could get very hot. AMD only recommend water cooling. I would never overclock so opted for the H80i, neater and less hassle than setting up a full water cooled system.
1tb Samsung Evo SSD, 2tb WD for storage, 32 gb ram, MSI mobo, MSI R9 270X Gaming 2gb Graphics, Corsair AX1200i PSU.
All fans are Compucase CF-V12HP Cougar which can be speed adjusted.
Idle in Winter with fans around 1100 rpm - temps between 38 - 42 degrees
Dont play games, but when rendering video, 40 - 47 degrees
Not sure when fans are at full speed (1500 rpm) but I'd say reduces temps by around 4/5 degree
Hot summers day, add around 4/5 degress to all figures..
If fans at full speed in Summer, idle around 40/41 degrees, rendering around 49/50 degress.
Running Windows 8.1 Enterprise
I gave my son my last rig, which is very similar, but is using a AMD FX 6300 with the H60 Cooler, again with all Compucase fans in a push pull, but exhausting out as there is no top fan. Don't think all fans blowing into case is a good idea, too much heat build up. Single 120 mm inlet fan at front. He gets similar temps to me.
When I had the rig, which at the time had an AMD FX-8150 fitted, I tested the H60 as both inlet and as exhaust setup and TBH it made very little difference to the CPU temps, but just increased the case temp by about 4/5 degrees.
I'm sure that you will be well pleased with the H80i.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 28-Feb-15 13:30:25
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Cheers for that, gave me some ideas.


Machine at the moment is a Coolermaster Hf 912+ case
Asrock 970 Extreme3 motherboard whihc is staying as long as it keeps working.
AMD Phenom II 3.5Ghz CPU, black edition
Akasa Nano cooler, really good for the chip, but will not cope with the new chip.
Sapphire Radeon HD 6570

8Gb of corsair XM 1600 memory.
Corsair 120GB force 3 SSD
1x2GB toshiba drive
1x500Gb Seagate hybrid drive
1x250 Hitatchi drive, which will go at some point and be replaced with something in the range of 3-4GB.

Only fans at the moment is the huge one on the front pushing air in and the smaller 120 on the back pulling air out, which is also taking the air from the CPU as the fan on that is push only and facing the rear fan.


My idea first of all is to get a couple of Corsair air flow 120, stick them to the top and blow out. Radiator at back of machine, not sure if to blow into the case or out, I suppose in as it will be getting cooler air from outside and the top fans can take the heat out again. May get a side fan to blow in, over video card, but not important at the moment.

New CPU wihich is the 8350 and the cooling.

Later on, I will get the video card and a SSD and large HHD.

Then later on again i will look at more memory as 2 stick in the machine do not belong to me anyway, they are on long term loan since one of mine went belly up and my mate updated his machine and leant me his old ones. I may stick 16GB in total.

I also ordered a usb 3 bay thing from coolermaster to run the USB 3 from the back to the front.

The reason I am waiting for the video card is I have to try some software on my mates computer,. Hit film and see if it works on his super dooper Sapphire VAPOR-X R9 290X, not so much because of the power, but to see if the problem I am having is because my card is not man enough and not the AMD drivers that keep crashing.

Once I sorted that out, the video card will be next

Price wise I am going a bit silly, well it is for me, my last video card cost me £50, I am looking at over £100 for my next one, same with CPU, over £100 for that one as well, I thought the last chip was under £100, but just looked and in 2011 it was £119.

So video card certainly going over the top, and SSD as it will be a new Cosair Netron at over £200


Just hope it is worth the money, but to be honest I am 50 soon and i think all the stuff I been though over the last 6 months I deserve to get something I enjoy, so I am going to do it.

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Standard User rogerfp
(learned) Sat 28-Feb-15 13:48:13
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Sounds a good setup to me.
As I said, I prefer to push pull from outside in on the H80i as long as there are escape fans available in the case. That's the optimum cooling for the CPU and the case.
I'm even older than you and I agree that you should enjoy life when you can.
You never know when it will turn around and bite you on the backside.
If it's something you enjoy, then it will be worth every penny.
50 is far too young to be suffering health issues, I hope they are behind you now.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 28-Feb-15 16:57:18
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It will be good when it is done, anyway CPU, cooler and fans are ordered, plus a backplate for the board as I can't find the one that came with it. The one on here at the moment is from the old heat sink as it is pretty hefty.

Outside/in should be ok for the cooler, the case will have tow 120mm fans ont he top that will certainly take the warm air out.
i am also going to move the computer, from under the desk to the side, easier to get at.

It already have bit me, bowel cancer, going though Chemo at the moment, but looking positive, well you got to simple as that really. chemo is just a mop up exercise.

I got plans for this year, going away for a few days, once i get back to work and get some more money behind me, updating computer, sorting house out and a few other things.
I want to use the video camera a bit more and want ot do more editing and effects, which is why I want to update the computer.
Vegas uses the video card more, which is why I want to up date it, but Adobe after effects seems to use the CPU more, Hitfilm uses GPU and cinema 4D uses CPU as well.

I like my case, but sometimes I think I should have paid a bit more and gone for the Haf X, but that is one hell of a case and not cheap. My mate have one and it is nice.

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Standard User rogerfp
(learned) Sat 28-Feb-15 19:40:45
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Sorry to hear about your health issues, hopefully the future is bright.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Mar-15 09:34:28
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Cheers.

Looking at memory, I have got corsair XMS 3 1600, i do nto think it is worth going over the 1600 speed, so bets to get some more XPS i think, the memory have been fine apart from the one stick going down. I was going to send it back but never got around to it.

Stick 8GB in and keep 4 of my old in, would give me 12GB, I think that should be enough.

What memory are you using?

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Standard User rogerfp
(learned) Sun 01-Mar-15 10:12:56
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I 'm using Corsair Vengeance Red 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3 PC3-14900C10 1866MHz Dual/Quad Channel on a MSI 990FXA-GD80 mobo. They are just running at whatever the default mobo setting is, which I think is 667MHz. I only bought that ram as it was on a special at Overclockers at the time. If not I would have just got some quality 1333 or 1600 ram.
As I said before I don't overclock anything, can't see the need for a few extra % of performance. In the real world it makes so little difference. After all overheating is the main cause of electrical component failure. I prefer reliablity.
For Windows Vista,7/8/10, 8gb is probably enough for most users with good performance, 12/16 is excellent, Anything more is just being greedy, but hey, we only live once!

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Mar-15 14:58:08
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So certainly not worth paying the extra then, may as well stick with eh XMS. i am not planning to over clock either. I do not see the point, as you said, it makes little difference.

Looking at prices of other stuff now, but I found a couple of small problems.

Only 3 USB headers on board, all three is used, but only a small problem as I can take the back USB plate out, I have a 6 port USB card in anyway, I need USB for the H80i.

Second problem, but not a huge problem, only 5 sata ports, all 5 is in use.
So if I take the 250GB out and replace that with the second SSD, I should be ok, the 2TB drive will keep me going for a bit.
I got to think then if it is worth getting a SATA card or going for a new board.

I also remembered I want a new keyboard, i want a clicky one. My mate have a Corsair Vengence K65, but it is not cheap, but it feels great. the problem is it is too Gamey, i did look at a Cherry keyboard. I think I may miss the LED which I have got on my Logitech.

I going to over spend, I know I am. Oh well, what is the point in working if you can't have what you want. I saved up for months while working..
Be back there in July.

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Standard User rogerfp
(regular) Sun 01-Mar-15 17:38:14
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5 Sata ports in use, that's unusual, what's connected?
Even on a new mobo you never get much more than that.
I've got 6 on my mobo, SSD, storage hd, bluray reader/writer and a esata connection for a port on the case.
Never have enough USB 3.0 ports. I added a a front card reader that has an extra 2x USB 3.0 ports and a PCI-e card with another 2 at rear (you can get them with 4x) and a internal 14 pin connector. All need power of course.
I'm lucky that my monitor has a built in USB 3.0 hub with 4x ports.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Mar-15 20:35:29
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Blue-ray writer, a 120GB SSD, a 2TB drive, a 500GB hybrid drive, that is partitioned for Linux and software that I do not want on the SSD. a 250GB drive, that is getting old and not really used that much, so that can go and be put in the old machine.

The case Esata is not connected, there is a Esata on the back of the machine.

i have two USB3 ports and that is it, I have ordered a front USB port bay from Coolermaster, but I have to connect it to the back ports, so I had to also order a intern to external connecter and the cables will go through the back of the case where cooling pipes would normally go through for customised water cooling. and to the ports on the back of the board. Not 100% ideal, but it will be fine.

I got two USB 3 drives, a 2TB Toshiba and a 1GB Seatgate, plus a USB3 memory stick.

The problem is my board is four years old, so USB 3 was only just coming about then, so no on board headers and it is a pretty good board and works well. I did have a look to see what is around, but not a lot int he old AMD camp at the moment. I like Asrock, but their boards either offer stuff I don't need or don't offer what I want.

The other problem is that AMD boards do not seem to be updated much, I suppose because AMD have been a bit slow on updating the CPUs.
The FX range is getting a bit old now, but they are still good value, AMD seems to going APU now, so is Intel to be honest,

the motherboard are a different thing, the Asrock 990FX extreame 9 looks a nice board, but yet it is getting on to be a couple of years old and still over £160.


I will update this machine and keep the board unless it goes belly up and then see what is around. The problem with me is I stick with what I know.
Asrock boards as I have used loads in different builds, from low end build, to slightly higher end and never had a problem,

AMD, because I have used AMD for years and they are always reliable.

Corsair as their products are good quality.



We will see how it goes, I have got some software that keeps crashing on this machine, I think my video card is a bit below what ti should be, so I am going to stick the software on my mates machine and see if it works on that and if it does I will send off for a new video card in the week.
I may go for a SAPPHIRE AMD R9 280

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 05-Mar-15 09:17:11
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I got the CPU and cooler yesterday, cooler being returned today, there is a small dent in the radiator, not going to risk it.

I also ordered a Sapphire R9 280 video card, that should come today.

I also been a very naughty andordered this £109 from Maplin of all places, cheaper than any where else.

Now my mouse is starting to play up, the scroll wheel keeps sticking, going to get some compressed air and give it a spray.
I do not want to buy a new mouse i like mine.

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(regular) Thu 05-Mar-15 13:15:54
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No I wouldn't accept a dent in a new rad either. You've paid for new and that's what you are entitled to, let alone any possible damaged caused when it got dented.
Sounds like your budget is going out the window.
Anyway, why not. Enjoy life.
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 05-Mar-15 19:18:14
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No I wouldn't accept a dent in a new rad either. You've paid for new and that's what you are entitled to, let alone any possible damaged caused when it got dented.
Sounds like your budget is going out the window.
Anyway, why not. Enjoy life.


I have no idea if that dent would cause problems anyway. Video card today, that is installed, a nice R9 280, should do me ok for a few years.
Budget have gone, bean on toast for the next 6 months smile

Yes, one bean on a slice of toast smile

If it last for 5 years then it be fine and it should do. I will wait to see what AMD brings out next year motherboard wise before I think about updating the board.
Hopefully they will update the AM3+ chipset to cope with PCI-E 3

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(fountain of knowledge) Fri 06-Mar-15 00:57:43
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I used to be very up to date on what was the latest and what went with what. Luckily my needs are relatively simple and I do not need the fastest possible machine, so I have adopted a new way of selecting. Decide my price, currently about £400 for a new box, then go and look round all the stores and base my judgement on 1) processor 2)memory and 3) hard disc size. 4) will it take my current TV card. Having bought it I sometimes add to the memory and probably fit a couple of 2Tb hard discs, often from the old machine.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 06-Mar-15 12:27:30
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That is a good way of doing it to be honest. i used to update every year, i think this is the longest I have gone without doing a full update.

I need a machine that can cope with video editing and video effects, i last updated about over 4 years back and it cost me £800, but that was everything, apart from the video card and SSD, I got them later on. it also did not include the 2TB drive.


I just spent £459 on this machine, ii just hope it is worth it and i have not finished yet. when i get back to work i want to get a 480SSd and another 8Gb of ram, maybe more.

i also want to get a new camcorder I really want to get into this video lark, i know it is late in life, but still.

i am not going to go mad with a camcorder, something like a JVC GY-HM70

but i got to do some more training with the video software, if it will stay stable.

I have a demo of hitfilm and it keeps crashing, i also got Adobe after effects, which is getting on now, but it will have to do and sony Vegas.

I know I did not really l need the new keyboard, but I like it and hopefully it will last, this old Logitech one I am using now have lasted and it was not expensive, but it is so big as it is really a games keyboard, with macro keys, which I do not use.
I thought I would with the video software, but after setting it up, I found it easier to use the normal shortcuts.

i have to get a larger spinny drive at some point, but no rush as I have loads of external disk space, or i will when I short it out.

I put the fans in the computer yesterday and it is a bit louder than normal, I do not think I can slow them down as they only got three pins.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 09-Mar-15 12:18:04
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Cooler going back to Amazon again, this time the y cables to go to the fan are not right, I tried for ages trying to plug them into the fans. I found a video on you tube to see how the hell it is done and realised that the moulding was not right. Instead of the pins being expose, they was still covered in plastic. I could have cut it, but why should I?

So it is going back.

I have the computer runningwith the new CPU using the stock cooler, it is ok, just a bit noisy.

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Think you will find that the Y cable is supplied with plastic sleeves over the pins to protect them. These have to be removed to expose the pins so that the connectors from the fans can be fitted.
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Think you will find that the Y cable is supplied with plastic sleeves over the pins to protect them. These have to be removed to expose the pins so that the connectors from the fans can be fitted.


Yep, I found that out after I sent the unit back and had the third unit today. It still had the strange connectors so I went online and found they was covers.

Anyway, I fitted the third unit to my computer, I could not get the fan to slow down at all and the temperatures was way over what it was with air cooler.

After about 20 mins of mucking around and getting nowhere, I switched off the computer as I was going to make some coffee and I heard a pop and realised that one of the pipes had come off.
Thankfully nothing leaked, but that is it, It seems like someone do not want me to have a water cooled machine, so I will request a refund and get a larger Air cooled system, maybe the larger version of the old Akasa Venom I had before.


I can not be bothered any more, just more hassle than it is worth.

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(regular) Tue 10-Mar-15 23:33:02
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Guess you must be really unlucky. I'm surprised the temp wasn't lowered by the H80i.
What was the configuration, both fans, either side of the rad, sucking air from the outside in?
You say the fans speed cannot be changed, how are they connected to the motherboard?
If only 3 pin anywhere in the connection, then you can't change the speed. Has to be 4 pin.
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 16-Mar-15 10:10:24
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The temp was higher with the H80i and the noise, I would have chucked the computer through the window if I had to put up with that.
Push in, pull out format, with air coming from outside the case. I do think that the pipes was much too stiff and made mounting the hardware more difficult than it should have been.

As for the four pin, it may have been a four piun connector, but only one connection, as far as I know the pin is only to more or less let the computer now there is a fan on there, I do not think it does much else, the rest is powered by a Sata power connector and USB.

I did put the connector on the four pin connection as my board got a 3 pin and four pin, in fact I tried both.
I disconnected all my USBs. just in case, and it seems like the software did not even recognise the unit anyway. I am so glad I switch the computer off before the pipe flew off.

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