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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-Mar-16 17:34:18
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Laptop IDE to SATA convertor


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Anyone tried the above, wondering if I can use an IDE to SATA convertor on my laptop mitac 5033 and fit an SSD?

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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 29-Mar-16 18:21:16
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Re: Laptop IDE to SATA convertor


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I have installed an IDE to SDHC memory card converter in an old MP3 player. Works great. I now have a cheap 32GB solid-state drive instead of a 20GB IDE hard disk. I'm not sure if that set-up would be good for a laptop though, but a proper mSATA converter should be fine. I would suggest that you get one with a 2.5" cage though, not something that just hangs off the IDE header.

Reminds me - I've got an old Tosh box in the attic. Can't remember how much memory it's got though. Just think, a laptop with two serial ports, parallel port, no ethernet and no USB (PCMCIA only). He, he. I could shove the same set-up and a PCMCIA 802.11n card in it and see how it flies. grin

Edit: IDE to SDHC converter available on Amazon.

Edited by micksharpe (Tue 29-Mar-16 21:22:49)

Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-Mar-16 20:17:33
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Re: Laptop IDE to SATA convertor


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Just been benchmarking Pen Drive vs laptop hard disk.

Pendrive Novatech generic 2gb via USB 2.0 PCMIA 13257 read/write
Mitac 5033 Fujitsu 4gb IDE dma mode 2, 4872 read/write

So I have put my programs on the pen drive.

What speed in bits does IDE dma mode 2 run at, drive or interface slow?

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 29-Mar-16 20:23:56
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Re: Laptop IDE to SATA convertor


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I'd be more inclined to go for an IDE SSD.
Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 29-Mar-16 20:29:43
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In reply to a post by Banger:
What speed in bits does IDE dma mode 2 run at, drive or interface slow?
Linky

Note that some of these converters can force PIO mode rather than DMA. Mine does, but then it's not a problem for an MP3 player. Check before you buy.

Edit: Belay that. It was the MP3 player that required PIO mode. The question was "will the adapter support it". blush

Edited by micksharpe (Tue 29-Mar-16 20:37:08)

Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 29-Mar-16 20:31:31
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In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:
I'd be more inclined to go for an IDE SSD.
Not many around and I'd be concerned about reliability. I decided to steer clear of them.
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-Mar-16 21:26:44
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So ultra dma mode is 33mb/s but getting 5mb/s. USB 2.0 is 60 mb/s but getting 18 mb/s on my corsair pen drive on the laptop, sound right?

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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 29-Mar-16 21:49:06
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The transfer speeds are 'burst' speeds -- the fastest that the interfaces will go. Actual throughputs will be a lot lower. Also, the USB protocol has a lot of overhead that can make disk accesses much slower than if they are connected using PATA or SATA. This is true even for USB 3.0. USB 3.1 (SuperSpeed) overcomes this limitation.

Your figures for UDMA sound about right, as do your USB 2.0 figures. By way of comparison, my Seagate 1TB 5400 rpm external drives run at about 70MB/s when connected to a USB 3.0 port, but that's only when writing to large files. Access to small files is much slower.

Edited by micksharpe (Tue 29-Mar-16 21:57:29)

Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 31-Mar-16 15:54:06
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Had a look inside the lappy and it appears there isnt enough space for an adapter, the hard drive is at the front corner in a caddy which is screwed to the motherboard and the connector is fixed to the mother board too, looks like I am looking for an IDE SSD if I can find a decent make or the IDE SDHC card adapter.

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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Thu 31-Mar-16 16:51:12
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If there is enough room for a standard 2.5" IDE disk drive, then there will be enough room for a converter (with a cage) that I linked to. The cage will have exactly the same external dimensions (and fixing holes) as a 2.5" drive.

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Edited by micksharpe (Thu 31-Mar-16 17:25:23)

Standard User petsy
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 31-Mar-16 17:03:27
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Been using a 64GB KingSpec ssd on my wife's old dell laptop without any issues over the last year.
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 31-Mar-16 17:15:54
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Cheers Mick, I will bear that in mind and thnaks Petsy I will have a look at KingSpec.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 01-Apr-16 15:24:42
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Well I got a Hitachi 20gb travelstar today and imaged the old laptop OS as planned but it wouldnt boot. I used the restore option but had to use a program on floppy called Bootit NG to rewrite the MBR with a standard MBR which Reflect mustnt do, anyway all running now and the Hitachi is faster and bigger, just waiting for the SSD now.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 01-Apr-16 20:34:50
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I need to keep off ebay, I just bought a 64gb SSD for 12 quid, on closer inspection it is an SD IDE adaptor with a micro SD card and adapter. Seller claims 40mb/s speed.

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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Fri 01-Apr-16 21:42:07
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Complain. Get a refund and buy some decent kit, especially if you need reliability. I'm not too worried about my MP3 player since everything's backed up on my PC. I can always buy another memory card.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 02-Apr-16 13:23:54
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Well I got my 128mb EDO 144pin SODIMM today and XP is running on the princely sum of 160mb RAM. Bit of a fiddle to fit as I had to remove the processor heatsink first but its in.

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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Sat 02-Apr-16 13:45:59
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... and the 'SSD'?

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 02-Apr-16 14:04:36
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The SD adapter works on my desktop but it benchmarks slower than the spinny Hitachi Travelstar. It reads about 20 mb/s wherea the hitachi reads at about 28 mb/s and write speed is pretty slow at around 10 mb/s, hitachi again is faster especially at 4k read/write speeds, so held off putting it in the laptop.

Currently bidding on a kingspec ssd (IDE) and according to the specs that should be faster but if I get it we will see.

Trouble with the Hitachi it has 8 reallocated blocks which is not a good sign, but it was only 3 quid. I havent looked if the SD adapter has SMART.

Edit: The SD adapter has some smart data including wearable data reading and reallocated sectors so must reserve some of the SD card for bad blocks and nice flashy red led for power and green for drive activity.

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Edited by Banger (Sat 02-Apr-16 16:07:06)

Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 07-Apr-16 15:28:45
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Well the Kingspec SSD arrived today and none of my machines can see it. The desktop adaptore ignores it when booting and the laptop sees it as two drives. Tried cable select on the drive but still dead, I wonder if 32gb is too big for the laptop but anyway my desktop sees all my other IDE drives through the apdator so I'm assuiming it is DOA and to be returned!

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 08-Apr-16 21:27:43
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Success, well sort of. I have had windows XP running on an SD card adapter for most of the day but after a reboot during boot I get unmountable volume blue screen and I am not sure how to fix it. I wonder if its because I extended the primary partition from 8gb to 30gb using Aomei partician assistant and now the volume is too big to mount. Further investigation is needed.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 19-Apr-16 14:38:59
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With respect to the OP, it doesnt work on two levels. The BIOS sees two hard drives with the IDE to SATA in place when the second drive should be cdrom, and it is physically too big with the adapter and Kingspec drive in place. Looks like i will have to stick to my Hitchachi spinny drive for the laptop.

Hooked the Kingspec up to my desktop and read/write benchmarks are half the speed of my Crucial SSD and SanDisj 32gb I got on ebay described as generic. So good and cheap I have ordered another SanDisk as a spare for my other desktop.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 22-Apr-16 14:06:15
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Well I got an SSD Kingspec working in the laptop but the adapter is too high to get the cover back on .

It didnt work at first but there is a jumper on the adapter which I removed then it started working.

Oh well might have to try an IDE to masata but not sure how long msata cards are and if I will have the same phsical fit problem.

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