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Standard User billford
(legend) Fri 03-Nov-06 19:17:44
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Re: MTU advice


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I can't help on Vista- I still use Win98SE, and when I move off that it will be to a Linux variant, not another MS product....

THBS, if you can get good speeds with your current values, I don't see much point in chasing the last few bytes/sec. Mainly because you'll never know when you've got them- if your exchange is even remotely like mine you could easily make a deleterious change but get a higher speed on the next test because the contention has changed....

When you can get a consistent high speed not too far from your BRAS rate it might be worth playing with the settings, otherwise it's a waste of effort.

IMHO of course

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Standard User LadFromWales85
(member) Fri 03-Nov-06 20:40:10
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Re: MTU advice


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Njord. The fact that your MTU is being shown as smaller than you've set it on your client, could mean that your router/modem is/are set to a lower MTU. Some D-Link modems/routers default to a lower MTU than the standard 1500.

I've always preferred http://www.speedguide.net/analyzer.php for connection checking. I also never see any difference in making it smaller
MTU 1500 if you use an adsl router with PPPoA encapsulation
MTU 1492 if you use a separate adsl modem and router, with the modem in bridge mode, and the router set to PPPoE.

I do however, increase the Receive Window size, as this can increase transfer speeds from distant hosts. The above checker will give you a hand, but this is what I've got mine set to...
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4) <-- current value

As I have an MTU of 1492 (bridge mode, PPPoE), my MSS is 1452...if you had an MTU of 1500 like most people, your MSS would be 1460.

Check out the above site, lots of help there too

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Standard User Njord
(learned) Sat 04-Nov-06 16:23:12
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Re: MTU advice


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Thanks for that info mate. At the moment I'm using a Netgear DG834G router with PPPoA and the latest firmware, so I'm not sure if that has a similar MTU as the default a bit like the D-Link. There is no way of changing it in the setup of the router as far as I am aware.

Thanks for your advice anyway guys. The SpeedGuide.net TCP/IP Analyzer explains things well

Bill... to be honest I don't blame you for going to Linux instead of another MS Product. Good old embrace, extend and extinguish..... Vista is very pretty though and then the novelty wares off.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 04-Nov-06 16:32:55
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. There is no way of changing it in the setup of the router as far as I am aware. ///////

Settings/advanced/WAN setup/mtusize.

Standard User Njord
(learned) Sat 04-Nov-06 17:38:59
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Thanks a lot for that... had the router for 2 years and didn't even notice that was there. Much appreciated!

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Standard User michaelh
(experienced) Sun 05-Nov-06 11:48:07
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I use a Netgear 834GT. I find that an MTU of 1430 gives me a download speed on the Namesco tester of c1914, whereas an MTU of 1500 pulls it down to c1840.

Michael

Moved my main account from PN to IDNet as soon as I saw that my exchange was on the Tiscali LLU List and never regretted it, but still have a PAYG Account for PN at my other house
Standard User Gari
(experienced) Sun 05-Nov-06 17:19:27
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Yep, I have used 1430 / 55600 for a long time now on fixed 2M and found that to be generally best. I gave up tweaking a while ago ... it was quite frustrating

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Standard User Njord
(learned) Sun 05-Nov-06 20:58:52
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Just did a bit of research and got this from Wikipedia, so I don't have to worry about the RWIN in Windows Vista.

"Another significant change that will improve network throughput is the automatic resizing of TCP Receive window. The receive window (RWIN) is the buffer that is used to temporarily hold incoming TCP data. Receive window auto tuning functionality continually monitors the bandwidth and the latency of TCP connections individually and optimize the receive window for each connection. The window size will be increased in high-bandwidth (~5 Mbit/s+) or high-latency (>10ms) situations. With a large receive window, more data can be transferred at a time, so less time is spent waiting for acknowledgements for TCP packets, thereby boosting the data throughput rates considerably. It also tracks whether any intermediate routers drop the larger data packets, in which case it automatically scales back the packet size."

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