Apple lion to be unveiled on 6th June

So if Lion is being unveiled on the 6th, whats the release date? and how much will it cost?

Apple Lion

Will be interesting, but how can they excite me more.

Let's just wait. No doubt some will leak out mmmm.

In reply to a post by ConorMK:

whats the release date? and how much will it cost?

July, 4GB, $29.99 from the App Store.

$24.99 per household.

iOS 5 details are online now.

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by ConorMK:

whats the release date? and how much will it cost?

July, 4GB, $29.99 from the App Store.

£20.99 in UK according to chap in Apple store yesterday

Yes, I saw that somewhere.

So far it looks like download and auto-install only, no DVD version and not even a .dmg to burn to your own... at 4GB a pop I might stick with Snow Leopard

I would hope that there's an Install app that you download and double click on? perhaps that will be the 4GB file.

It's not clear at the moment, but from the odd bits I've seen it auto-installs and sets up a recovery partition for use if things go pear-shaped.

If you want to install it on another Mac you download again and install on that

Apart from the damage it'll do to download allowances, if you need to start with a clean install for any reason how long does it take to d/l 4GB compared to mounting a DVD?

Not happy about this one...

That's around 15 mins per Mac at full speed for my connection (4.6MBps). As I'm unlimited the 8GB for the iMac and MBP aren't a problem. It would be better if it did download as an installer though.

I intend to try it on the MBP first and then put it on the iMac, if it is ok.

It's not a major part of my download allowance and I'm on FTTC too, so the time isn't really a major problem.

But it's still a lot longer than shoving a DVD in the slot

Crying before you're bitten, Bill?

From my reading, I think you'll find it downloads from the App Store into your Applications folder, and runs. You can then choose where to install it - your boot drive or another connected volume. The app remains in /Applications/ and you can run it again or copy it to another Mac and run it there. You could install a bootable backup copy on a USB stick for recovery in the event of a hard drive melt-down.

In reply to a post by AlanH:

Crying before you're bitten, Bill?

Possibly .

There was quite a bit of heat on MacRumours a few days ago, broadly along the same lines, but I haven't looked on there recently.

The app remains in /Applications/ and you can run it again or copy it to another Mac and run it there.

I'd be happy with anything I can copy off to a separate medium. I'll reserve final judgement until someone can report what actually happens, instead of having to second-guess Apple

My optical drive is toast. So I'd sooner stick an SSD in its place.

http://osxdaily.com/2010/05/19/install-an-ssd-into-t...

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/08/how-to-install-lion-f...

That's a lot more promising, thanks Alan

Apple shows every sign of working towards a fundamental shift in the way they want people to relate their data to their Macs and mobiles and to the Internet. I really don't think they are likely to screw up something as basic as the OS installation process at this stage in the process.

In reply to a post by AlanH:

Apple shows every sign of working towards a fundamental shift in the way they want people to relate their data to their Macs and mobiles and to the Internet.

You mean iCloud?

I can see the point of it, but I'll be happier if I can turn it off.

It doesn't suit the way I prefer to work, again there's the issue of up/download speed and bandwidth, and I'm not sure I like the idea of BT being between me and my data

OK, so I'm a reactionary old fogey

I was referring to more than just iCloud.

- The AppStore is where they are going for software distribution - applications and OS updates. They can't afford to screw up the installation of Lion, which is *the* AppStore flagship.

- With IOS5, iPhones and iPads will be independent of a Mac or PC. Backup, updates, synchronisation ...

- iCloud will be optional, but default to on. It doesn't move your data away from your Mac to the cloud, it backs it up and synchronises it across all your devices. It only keeps 30 days of mobile data, and it's limited to 5 GBytes of stuff other than music and photos [maybe with chargeable extra capacity]. So it's not the same as the Google concept of a diskless system, at least as I understand it.

New file system related things ...

- AutoSave and Versions mean you will be able to pretty well ignore file management if you wish.
- LaunchPad means you don't need to know where your Applications folder is to start up a new app.
- Airdrop for sharing data across the LAN

... and probably more I've missed.

These are all reducing the learning curve, the time and the effort required to manage files and move them about.

Edited by deleted (Wed 08-Jun-11 22:46:24)

I have not seen any mention of support for SSDs to do the clean up and used space recovery
in the Lion descriptions - this feature was forecast to be in the product a while back.

From a brief search of the Interwebs, TRIM support for SSDs is included in some Snow Leopard installations, and in at least one developer preview of Lion. It may only be active for Apple-installed SSDs, though. It seems unlikely that it would be removed from Lion having been in an earlier preview.

I can't check the latest Lion preview here, I'm afraid, as I don't have an SSD.

Thanks - I had heard of the builtin support for existing Apple supplied SSDs ie the MacBook Air .

A few months ago there was mention of the "trim" support being available in Lion - but it has gone very quiet.

TRIM support is indeed part of Lion. Some enterprising individuals have even found that the system components for it can also be made to work in 10.6.

In reply to a post by Desmond:

TRIM support is indeed part of Lion. Some enterprising individuals have even found that the system components for it can also be made to work in 10.6.

Yes, I fitted an SSD in my 2007 MBP (Too many screws in the case) and have enabled Trim support.

Re reading the OWC web site where I bought the SSD for my Mac Pro it implies that it does not require the services of trim and it looks after these functions withing the SSD.

Linky?

There are comments on the Internet that it isn't possible for a drive to handle all the TRIM functions internally, as it doesn't know what sectors are available for full deletion.

For example, a file becomes eligible for deletion *only* when there are zero references to it from other files/directories. A symlink can refer to a file, but I don't know how the drive could know this without knowing all that the OS knows.

OWC SSD details

Thanks. Is that TRIM? They seem to avoid the term in their descriptions. There's mention of "recycling" of space, but I wonder if it's the same.