In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Labelling it “Beta” and making it optional / opted-out by default is the right approach here I think. 🤔

That have changed with 15.3, now Apple Intelligence is opt out, so it will still install and take 4-6GB of space up on your drive, even if you disable it. I read that if the space is required, then it will be deleted if not in use.
So it is still in beta and Apple is now making it opt out. I presume not enough people are using it. Maybe that is because people are not interested in using

Apple is getting as back as Microsoft, well at least it can be disabled with one click, windows or at least Windows 10, you need to go around the houses to disable the AI stuff. I knew I should have gone for Linux and use wine to try and get things working and if not find a alternative.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Apple is getting as back as Microsoft, well at least it can be disabled with one click, windows or at least Windows 10, you need to go around the houses to disable the AI stuff. I knew I should have gone for Linux and use wine to try and get things working and if not find a alternative.

Apple is worse than MS, they now forget to do any testing, release with bugs that cripple corporate users of Mac machines.

What AI stuff in Win10? The Copilot app is just a frame for a website. It doesn't download a few GB of models to the local machine unlike Apple Intelligence. With Apple's extreme prices for storage this is a bit cheeky.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Labelling it “Beta” and making it optional / opted-out by default is the right approach here I think. 🤔

That have changed with 15.3, now Apple Intelligence is opt out, so it will still install and take 4-6GB of space up on your drive, even if you disable it. I read that if the space is required, then it will be deleted if not in use.
So it is still in beta and Apple is now making it opt out. I presume not enough people are using it. Maybe that is because people are not interested in using

Apple is getting as back as Microsoft, well at least it can be disabled with one click, windows or at least Windows 10, you need to go around the houses to disable the AI stuff. I knew I should have gone for Linux and use wine to try and get things working and if not find a alternative.

Dunno Adrian. I've been running 15.3 all day today and can't see any (material) difference to when this machine was running 15.2.x

I don’t think it is that not enough people are using it, I think it is just that Apple have decided it is working well enough for enabling it to be the default (a decision we can all choose to agree or disagree with).

(I’d certainly argue that many of these features aren’t ready to come out of beta testing yet, if ever)

If that is the decision they’ve come to them enabling it by default is the only sensible thing to do. It isn’t the norm to make users explicitly enable new features in updated software. If that was the case then most users would never discover there were new features and would never enable them and get the benefit of them.

Don’t forget that many of these new features, while labeled “AI”, are along the same lines as previous machine learning features they’ve added in the past. An example would be the auto reply suggestions in Messages, those are very similar to the generative AI model auto complete changes they made last year.

If it wasn’t for the current AI boom and rush to “keep up”, features like that would just be being enabled by default in the first place and we’d not be thinking twice about them or arguing that every user should have to enable them. But they also wouldn’t have been rushed out in iOS 15 and Apple would just be calling them machine learning features as they have with the machine learning they’ve been adding to iOS for years.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Apple is worse than MS, they now forget to do any testing, release with bugs that cripple corporate users of Mac machines.

What AI stuff in Win10? The Copilot app is just a frame for a website. It doesn't download a few GB of models to the local machine unlike Apple Intelligence. With Apple's extreme prices for storage this is a bit cheeky.

There is the app, and it is embedded in the browser, not that it would work for me as I am not signed in to a MS account on my PC. By all accounts it is more embedded in Windows 11

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Dunno Adrian. I've been running 15.3 all day today and can't see any (material) difference to when this machine was running 15.2.x

did you have AI enabled before you updated? if so then you will not notice any difference

They should at least put a dialogue box up asking if it can be enabled.
The problem is all this is being dumped onto people and it seems like we can;t get away from it.
I have no interest in using it, I don’t need to use, come on, what the hell do I want to make stupid AI generated Emojis for?

i don't use IOS amd the so-called auto reply thing that came onto my mobile phone a few months ago was disabled, I don't want a computer telling me how I should reply.


My main problem with this AI stuff is privacy or the lack of it.

I’ve got to admit that I’ve seen no embedded AI on either of my Windows 11 PCs (or on my Mac, but that’s an Intel one).

It doesn’t bother me what companies put in their OSs as long as I don’t have to use it. And Linux exists for the paranoid. It seems silly to buy an OS from a big company and then complain that they are acting in the way that big companies act.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

There is the app, and it is embedded in the browser, not that it would work for me as I am not signed in to a MS account on my PC. By all accounts it is more embedded in Windows 11

Without an MS account is harder on Win11 than Win10, but you’re signed in to Apple account on your Mac, or Google account on Android. I don’t know why people think MS account is any different.

The copilot app is no different on Win10 to Win11, you just unpin it from start menu and ignore it. Or right click and choose Uninstall. The icon in Edge can be easily ignored by using Chrome, Firefox, Brave, or any of the other browsers. Edge doesn’t have much market share, compared to Chrome! I think in Pro you can even turn off the icon.

At work we centrally disable the free Copilot stuff so our users don’t see the icons, but everyone logs in with an enterprise MS account, gives us more central security configs, and means people can go into Outlook and similar without logging in again.

Home users often don’t use MS Office, they might use Google docs or even pay for Adobe products, or Serif, and use LibreOffice for home word processing. Home users are quite hard to quantify.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

I’ve got to admit that I’ve seen no embedded AI on either of my Windows 11 PCs (or on my Mac, but that’s an Intel one).

It doesn’t bother me what companies put in their OSs as long as I don’t have to use it. And Linux exists for the paranoid. It seems silly to buy an OS from a big company and then complain that they are acting in the way that big companies act.

Linux don't exist for the paranoid, I know a few people the use Linux, and they are not paranoid, they just prefer not having large companies telling them what they should have on their computer.

I did think about Linux before I got the Mac, but I have software that is not available on Linux, well most it to be honest and the alternatives, while suits some people, certainly if they have been using Linux for years, don't suit me.