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Standard User richi
(member) Sat 03-Aug-19 16:00:00
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Jumping into Three LTE. Watch as I make a hash of it


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OK, I've had enough of rural ADSL. Actually, I've not had it too bad: 15 Mb/s over 3km of copper is better than I'd expected, but with no prospect of FTTP nor an infill cab any time soon, I'm giving up on aged fixed-line infrastructure.

So I bought a Three SIMO on the £10-for-first-six-months deal (£20/month for the following 18). My Billion router already supports a modem dongle, so I figured I'd see how I got on with one of those first. (And now I know I can use the SIM with future 5G hardware, I don't want to invest in a new router if I can help it.)

Follow along as I make the usual string of n00b errors.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Sat 03-Aug-19 16:06:59
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In which I buy the wrong USB modem


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So I went looking on Amazon for a Huawei E3372s, which I figured should see me right. A quick search showed up an FBA seller offering Prime delivery for £42.

The thing arrived and it turned out to be an 'h' model -- with the HiLink NAT firmware. According to Mr. Google, there's no clean way to reflash the firmware to the 's' modem version.

But Amazon gleefully let me return it. But before it went back, some tests showed the same excellent signal strength as I could see with a phone, and pretty consistent throughput of 30 Mb/s down and 20 up.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.

Edited by richi (Sat 03-Aug-19 16:19:42)

Standard User richi
(member) Sat 03-Aug-19 16:18:11
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In which the replacement has the wrong firmware


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Instead, I got a refurb Huawei E3276s-150 modem. A snip at £30.

This is the older model with the Qualcomm chipset, but supposedly at least as good as the new one, which uses Huawei's own silicon.

The 's' is supposed to mean it has the "stick-only" modem firmware, not the HiLink NAT thing, but wouldn't you know it, the thing arrived with the HiLink firmware "helpfully" applied.

After all the research I did to work out how to reflash the first dongle, I wasn't hopeful, but it turns out that this model is much easier to reflash. I followed mikewse's helpful instructions on the OpenWRT forum. Now I can open a port or two if I want.

And, lo, it came to pass that this thing is faster than the newer part. Without really trying to locate it in a good signal spot, I get up to 45 Mb/s down and 30 up.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.

Edited by richi (Sat 03-Aug-19 16:20:57)


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Standard User richi
(member) Sat 03-Aug-19 17:35:14
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ob. TBB speedtest


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My Broadband Speed Test

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User kommando
(newbie) Sat 03-Aug-19 17:53:14
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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I went the same way, got sick of 20 questions every time I got a dry joint fault that only showed itself when it rained and engineers who only came when it was dry. I got the B525 and this is latched onto Band 3 but carrier aggregation is on so when I do a large download it connects to band 20 and adds that in. Only some masts have that but with Band 32 coming it pays to get a modem with carrier aggregation and a MIMO outside antenna.
Standard User richi
(member) Sat 03-Aug-19 19:47:43
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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Yeah, I hear you. Frankly, I'm just overjoyed to have a decent uplink speed. Not just so online backups work faster, but also so there's enough headroom to actually get acks back without latency climbing towards 1,000 ms.

But I dare say the upgrade drums will start beating in my head once 5G kit is available.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Sun 04-Aug-19 11:36:05
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In which I move the router


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Without really trying, I get 50/20:

My Broadband Speed Test

Naturally, if I try to site the dongle where it "should" get a good signal, everything falls apart and I get results like 15/5. But when I put it back where I randomly dumped it when I moved the router, we're back at 50/20.

tl;dr: RF is weird.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User kommando
(newbie) Sun 04-Aug-19 15:59:25
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Re: In which I move the router


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Probably some signal bounce and the random spot is picking this up, I went external Yagi on a pole but I am 4km away from the mast but only a few trees in the way.
Standard User andynormancx
(regular) Sun 04-Aug-19 17:04:55
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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You live somewhere rural, 5G is likely to be a long wait.
Standard User richi
(member) Sun 04-Aug-19 17:43:33
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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But the three masts I can "see" are serving a trunk road and a quasi-secret guvmint/military site.

While I don't expect them to be in the first wave of upgrades, I doubt they're at the back of the queue, either.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Sun 04-Aug-19 17:45:59
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Re: In which I move the router


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Yeah, my plan was to start with a USB extension cable, rather than worrying about RF cable losses. But I don't think I'm going to get better than 50/20 with 2x2 MIMO, right?

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User kommando
(newbie) Sun 04-Aug-19 17:53:39
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Re: In which I move the router


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50/20 is what I get with CA on band 3 and band 20, the interim pre 5G upgrade for Three is to add Band 32 'L band' as an extra CA download only but at bandwidth 20 Mhz. That will double the download speeds as Band 3 is 15 Mhz and Band 20 5 Mhz on rural masts.

I have a sat dish type aerial due next week to hopefully get better signal and a Mikrotik LHG to aim at a Vodafone mast, Both will then feed into a Draytek dual Wan router for load balancing.
Standard User bigluap
(learned) Sun 04-Aug-19 18:09:20
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Three supplied 4G MiFi


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speeds in the last week - low ones at the bottom due to a mast fault
Sun 04/08/2019 18:00 28.08 Mbps 33.51 Mbps 11.12 Mbps 92.40.144.229 Three
Sun 04/08/2019 16:32 28.27 Mbps 27.64 Mbps 9.07 Mbps 92.40.144.229 Three
Sun 04/08/2019 15:34 34.40 Mbps 36.50 Mbps 18.62 Mbps 92.40.144.229 Three
Sun 04/08/2019 10:07 20.05 Mbps 29.62 Mbps 18.84 Mbps 92.40.144.229 Three
Sun 04/08/2019 08:24 43.91 Mbps 35.10 Mbps 24.84 Mbps 92.40.144.229 Three
Sat 03/08/2019 18:01 35.79 Mbps 32.39 Mbps 11.44 Mbps 94.196.129.157 Three
Sat 03/08/2019 12:53 34.68 Mbps 27.31 Mbps 11.99 Mbps 94.196.129.157 Three
Sat 03/08/2019 10:05 26.52 Mbps 32.74 Mbps 18.07 Mbps 94.196.129.157 Three
Sat 03/08/2019 07:43 31.31 Mbps 31.55 Mbps 21.65 Mbps 94.196.129.157 Thre
Wed 31/07/2019 05:20 49.13 Mbps 48.45 Mbps 16.01 Mbps 188.30.102.102 Three
Wed 31/07/2019 02:22 39.04 Mbps 33.74 Mbps 19.75 Mbps 188.30.102.102 Three
Tue 30/07/2019 23:38 28.89 Mbps 33.47 Mbps 12.92 Mbps 188.30.102.102 Three
Tue 30/07/2019 21:17 26.49 Mbps 23.12 Mbps 15.55 Mbps 188.30.102.102 Three
Tue 30/07/2019 20:32 29.77 Mbps 14.30 Mbps 15.77 Mbps 188.30.102.102 Three
Tue 30/07/2019 18:47 20.11 Mbps 18.76 Mbps 7.26 Mbps 188.30.102.102 Thre
Tue 30/07/2019 06:23 43.64 Mbps 44.74 Mbps 20.78 Mbps 92.41.123.199 Three
Mon 29/07/2019 19:52 23.03 Mbps 30.17 Mbps 10.57 Mbps 92.41.123.199 Three
Mon 29/07/2019 19:08 32.49 Mbps 17.78 Mbps 8.73 Mbps 92.41.123.199 Three
Mon 29/07/2019 18:36 33.79 Mbps 21.36 Mbps 11.94 Mbps 92.41.123.199 Three
Sun 28/07/2019 18:04 19.10 Mbps 10.40 Mbps 3.04 Mbps 188.28.92.249 Three
Sun 28/07/2019 11:55 13.03 Mbps 13.69 Mbps 1.09 Mbps 188.31.192.56 Three
Sun 28/07/2019 09:47 1.24 Mbps 1.11 Mbps 2.15 Mbps 188.28.119.193 Three
Sun 28/07/2019 07:51 16.85 Mbps 9.91 Mbps 2.90 Mbps 188.28.119.193 Three
Sat 27/07/2019 12:39 1.20 Mbps 0.45 Mbps 0.52 Mbps 188.31.149.135 Three
Sat 27/07/2019 12:33 7.90 Mbps 5.47 Mbps 0.86 Mbps 188.31.149.135 Three
Sat 27/07/2019 11:43 0.39 Mbps 0.70 Mbps 1.49 Mbps 188.31.149.135 Three
Sat 27/07/2019 08:31 19.25 Mbps 19.50 Mbps 3.72 Mbps 188.31.149.135 Three
Sat 27/07/2019 08:10 2.86 Mbps 2.70 Mbps 2.27 Mbps 188.31.20.75 Three
Sat 27/07/2019 08:02 1.18 Mbps 1.92 Mbps 1.75 Mbps 188.31.20.75 Three

nb it might say newbie, Been building PCs since 386SX25 late 80's
My network is VM 30 (soon to be 60) VMDG 480 Gigabit router 2 x cat5e cables to work room, one for gigabit to 8 port switch, second N WiFi router in dual channel mode 300 mbit/sec & other devices, the other for 10/100 to 16 port switch (runs at 200mbit according to the spec sheet) Printer etc.
Standard User andynormancx
(regular) Sun 04-Aug-19 18:16:03
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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5G is going to be using higher frequencies than 4G (in some cases much higher). Which means you'll need to be closer to masts to get the same signal strength as on 4G.

If you're only getting 20MB from the mast over 4G you must be a reasonable distance from it (assuming you're on band 3), I doubt you'll be seeing any improvement from 5G on the same mast.

5G is more about bring more capacity to congested urban areas.
Standard User andynormancx
(regular) Sun 04-Aug-19 18:17:22
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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Ah, I see you're managing 50MB now. My point about 5G not be aimed at improving rural coverage still stands though wink
Standard User kommando
(newbie) Sun 04-Aug-19 18:25:06
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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L band show work well on rural masts, 5G at low frequency would work too, just have to wait and see. Triple and quad Wan routers are available if not. Never going back to BT.
Standard User richi
(member) Sun 04-Aug-19 18:27:56
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Re: In which I move the router


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Thanks for the info. The 1500 MHz band will pass me by until I upgrade from my cheapo stick, which only supports DD800, 900, 1800, 2100 and 2600 on LTE.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Sun 04-Aug-19 18:32:52
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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To be clear, this location is only "rural" in the sense that it's an uneconomic area for fibre, thanks to a quirk of geography. The two closest masts are each less than a mile away and serve populations that make me believe they'll be upgraded fairly soon.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User andynormancx
(regular) Sun 04-Aug-19 20:58:46
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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You opened the thread talking about rural ADSL and when I was commenting you'd been reporting 20MB 4G downloads, hence me assuming you really were rural and some distance from the mast wink

Edited by andynormancx (Sun 04-Aug-19 20:59:25)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 04-Aug-19 21:00:28
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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160Mbps. Wow!

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User andynormancx
(member) Sun 04-Aug-19 21:03:11
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Re: ob. TBB speedtest


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wink for the want of a lower case B...

...the kingdom was lost

or something like that
Standard User richi
(member) Wed 07-Aug-19 12:10:53
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In which I upload 150 GB of online backup


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A few days in: Things seem fairly solid. Not perfect, but so much faster than my old 15/1 ADSL.

I've been uploading online backups to my new Office 365 account, which comes with 5TB of space. I had to throttle OneDrive to 10 Mb/s to retain some headroom. But 150 GB in a couple of days seems decent.

But what I'm finding is the throughput suddely dropping to zero from time to time. When this happens, after a bit my Billion router log shows:
Aug 7 11:59:44 daemon info kernel: cdc_ncm: usb0: network connection: disconnected
Aug 7 11:59:45 user info syslog: --->link down; need to restart the wan again
Aug 7 11:59:45 user info syslog: 3gfunc restart3gwan
Aug 7 11:59:48 daemon info syslog: Received SIGTERM
Aug 7 11:59:55 daemon info syslog: udhcp client (v0.9.6) started
Aug 7 12:00:03 user info syslog: keep_tmsec:59 keep_ip:9.9.9.9
Aug 7 12:00:03 daemon info kernel: cdc_ncm: usb0: 150 mbit/s downlink 150 mbit/s uplink
Aug 7 12:00:03 daemon info kernel: cdc_ncm: usb0: network connection: connected
Aug 7 12:00:04 daemon info syslog: Lease of 92.41.129.128 obtained, lease time 518400


Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.

Edited by richi (Wed 07-Aug-19 12:44:37)

Standard User gary333
(member) Wed 07-Aug-19 12:47:55
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Re: In which I upload 150 GB of online backup


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Could be the device getting 'overloaded' and soft restarting? I used to get this randomly on my Netgear Aircard, don't think it was powerful enough to keep up with demand. I have not noticed this happening on my Huawei B525.

Maybe it's the device changing bands, and/or dropping down to 3G which even though should be seemless - isn't always.
Standard User richi
(member) Wed 07-Aug-19 14:34:10
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Re: In which I upload 150 GB of online backup


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Yes and that "overload" symptom is possibly heat-related. The dongle does seem to get pretty toasty.

I've removed the slide-off cover and opened the two antenna/SDcard covers. Hope that'll add some ventilation.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Thu 08-Aug-19 15:06:57
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ob. BQM


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My Broadband Ping

I set up a BQM this morning, in case anyone's interested. Overall, very happy with that.

At about 1pm, I started uploading a load more online backup stuff at 10 mb/s. And at about 3pm the connection dropped and I lost my IP.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Thu 08-Aug-19 15:50:02
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In which I fiddle with the dongle location


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Yes, RF is weird: Tiny changes in position and orientation make an enormous difference.

Part of the problem seems to be sidechannel interference from my wi-fi antennae. So there are too many variables to keep track of.

But I've now found a spot with the dongle taped to the wall where I get a solid 50/30 (peaking higher). It's a timber-frame exterior wall, filled with glass-fibre and clad with Marley fibre slates.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Fri 09-Aug-19 16:31:02
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Re: ob. BQM


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This morning, after having moved the dongle yesterday:

My Broadband Ping

First thing, I was downloading several GB of software ISO at 50+ Mb/s. After about 2:30, I added a load more files to the online backup.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Tue 13-Aug-19 14:42:22
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In which I ponder weird website blocks


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Earlier today, I went researching the current state of play with the Novel Food Catalogue, and whether it has any bearing on sales of CBD products (a legal hemp extract).

Following a link to the results of legal analysis, I found the DNS search for the domain timing out. Odd, as I've always found IBM's 9.9.9.9 service to be very reliable.

Doubly odd: 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 had the same problem, but Opera's VPN loaded the site just fine.

It turns out that Three is intercepting DNS lookups and blocking ones for domains it deems "naughty". And if you use encrypted DNS, it still intercepts connections to "naughty" sites (even via https/TLS).

The link I was trying to follow was http://britishcannabis.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...

I recalled that blocked.org.uk tracks the state of ISP blocking, so I took a look at the recent unblock requests to Three, to try and work out what the "rule" is. Looks to me like their attitude is bizarre and inconsistent, to put it mildly. Apart from the obvious illegal/court-ordered/"adult" sites, Three censors these categories:

- CBD and other legal hemp products
- Paintballing (applied inconsistently)
- Marital aids
- VPNs and proxies (applied inconsistently)
- Gay dating (but not L/B/T/Q)

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Aug-19 14:58:27
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Re: In which I ponder weird website blocks


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Your supplied link worked from an EE phone ..... just to add grist to your mill.

Standard User chriscdotcodotuk
(learned) Tue 13-Aug-19 15:52:58
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Re: In which I ponder weird website blocks


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In reply to a post by richi:
Earlier today, I went researching the current state of play with the Novel Food Catalogue, and whether it has any bearing on sales of CBD products (a legal hemp extract).

Following a link to the results of legal analysis, I found the DNS search for the domain timing out. Odd, as I've always found IBM's 9.9.9.9 service to be very reliable.

Doubly odd: 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 had the same problem, but Opera's VPN loaded the site just fine.

It turns out that Three is intercepting DNS lookups and blocking ones for domains it deems "naughty". And if you use encrypted DNS, it still intercepts connections to "naughty" sites (even via https/TLS).

The link I was trying to follow was http://britishcannabis.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...

I recalled that blocked.org.uk tracks the state of ISP blocking, so I took a look at the recent unblock requests to Three, to try and work out what the "rule" is. Looks to me like their attitude is bizarre and inconsistent, to put it mildly. Apart from the obvious illegal/court-ordered/"adult" sites, Three censors these categories:

- CBD and other legal hemp products
- Paintballing (applied inconsistently)
- Marital aids
- VPNs and proxies (applied inconsistently)
- Gay dating (but not L/B/T/Q)


For me this just shows as that I've got adult filtering turned on.
They DO block access to a number of sites "silently" just by returning a page not found error rather than the site showing the content filter.
I'm a bit cheesed off about this as even when I force all DNS lookups through my pihole and set it all to encrypted sure enough they're blocking access to the site via IP.
I've obviously set VPN rules to work around this but its a bit rubbish that they're blocking stuff silently rather than saying "naughty naughty" etc.
Standard User chriscdotcodotuk
(learned) Tue 13-Aug-19 15:55:07
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Re: ob. BQM


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In reply to a post by richi:
This morning, after having moved the dongle yesterday:

My Broadband Ping

First thing, I was downloading several GB of software ISO at 50+ Mb/s. After about 2:30, I added a load more files to the online backup.


I've found when the connection is totally saturated it really struggles. Pages just fail to load but the downloads carry on just fine.

Lets assume you're using torrents and you're getting close to your limit on download you'll find stuff is fine. Add a load out outbound connections for upload and you'll notice issues.
Standard User richi
(member) Tue 13-Aug-19 19:26:56
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Re: ob. BQM


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In reply to a post by chriscdotcodotuk:
I've found when the connection is totally saturated it really struggles. Pages just fail to load but the downloads carry on just fine.
Me too, but no worse than with ADSL. That's just bufferbloat making acks time out.

My Billion router has a useful QoS feature, allowing me to tune the uplink bandwidth to 90% of actual, which prevented buffer saturation. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work with an LTE dongle.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User chriscdotcodotuk
(learned) Tue 13-Aug-19 21:50:56
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Re: ob. BQM


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I've been away from adsl for such a long time with Virgin that I've never really had this issue.
My issue with setting up QOS is because I can get 100mb during the evenings and sometimes only 60 during the day it's hard to set up a % that wont be impacted too much.

I'll be load balancing it out to a 40mb standard line soon so I can keep that in reserve.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Aug-19 22:27:53
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Re: ob. BQM


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In reply to a post by chriscdotcodotuk:
I've been away from adsl for such a long time with Virgin that I've never really had this issue.

Its still a problem as Virgin's upload speeds are low. e.g. 100 down, 6 up, or 200 down, 10 up.

plusnet 80/20 (2/jun/14) at 470m - Sync history highest: 64/9 (Sep/17), 54/6 (Jan/19), 51/6 (Mar/19)
20 years of broadband from 1999's ntl:cable modem trial - Live BQM
Standard User gary333
(member) Tue 13-Aug-19 22:59:14
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Re: ob. BQM


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Virgin's 200mb package is now 20mb upload (at least for areas that can support it. So better, but still no cigar.
Standard User chriscdotcodotuk
(learned) Wed 14-Aug-19 08:19:42
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Re: ob. BQM


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In reply to a post by gary333:
Virgin's 200mb package is now 20mb upload (at least for areas that can support it. So better, but still no cigar.


I've moved from their 350 package which was 380-400 down and 30+ up.
I set limits so one machine could only take 370mb maximum and only upload at 28mb. This left 10mb+ for downloads and 2-5mb ish for uploads. I could be absolutely hammering the connection on one machine and no one would really notice.

That line was very stable speed test wise day or night.
Standard User richi
(member) Wed 14-Aug-19 12:23:11
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Re: ob. BQM


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In reply to a post by chriscdotcodotuk:
My issue with setting up QOS is because I can get 100mb during the evenings and sometimes only 60 during the day it's hard to set up a % that wont be impacted too much.
Right on. I like A&A's approach of prioritising small packets, using separate QoS queues in the consumers' routers and the gateways.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Wed 14-Aug-19 15:20:38
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In which I worry about my dongle


[re: richi] [link to this post]
 
I'm still having intermittent disconnections. The Billion router's log implies that the USB dongle resets itself (but I'm not sure that's accurate).

The disconnections seem to come in waves. And I think it happens when the connection is working hard and has been for a while. All of which sounds to me like an overheating problem (the dongle can get pretty hot to the touch).

My plan is to keep usage light for the next day or two—let's see if the disconnections stop, or at least slow down.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User chriscdotcodotuk
(learned) Wed 14-Aug-19 15:27:50
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[re: richi] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by richi:
Without really trying, I get 50/20:

My Broadband Speed Test

Naturally, if I try to site the dongle where it "should" get a good signal, everything falls apart and I get results like 15/5. But when I put it back where I randomly dumped it when I moved the router, we're back at 50/20.

tl;dr: RF is weird.


I went to the extent of checking a line of sight map to see where in my attic I would get best reception. I worked out that one side of the attic I'd get an absolutely perfect view of the tower. Further into the attic I'd actually have a building blocking me by a bit.

Sure enough I set the antenna up in the attic on a small tripod just to test and get a great speed but 3/4 bars. I move the antenna to where was "clear" and get a brilliant 5 bar signal yet rubbish speed. It went from 50 down to 20 or so.

I then faffed around and installed the antenna further into the middle of the attic where signal shouldn't have been great and I'm getting 80-100mb quite happily with 4-5 bars of signal.

I've spent years playing with radios and have had very large antennas on very large towers with computer controlled rotators so I thought I knew what I was doing! Clearly not in this instance!

Fastest Speeds:

Plusnet = Waiting for connection
Three DL 65mb avg / 97.80mb peak UL 30.0mb avg / 32.9 peak
VM + 3 DL 400mb avg / 432.93mb peak UL 50.0mb avg / 76.82 peak
Virgin DL 380mb avg / 393.08mb peak UL 38.0mb avg / 38.31 peak
Standard User andynormancx
(member) Wed 14-Aug-19 19:59:17
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I rarely have a day where the Three connection via my Mikrotik doesn't drop at least a couple of times. It is typically just for a couple of seconds though, so unless I check the logs I don't notice.

Some days it will drop dozens of times, again for a second or so and I very rarely notice that it was down.
Standard User Jake4
(newbie) Wed 14-Aug-19 23:50:16
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My three connection drops and takes me to the 'You've ran out of credit' page and is like that from anywhere between 3mins - 6hours. Sometimes when that happens even the 4g unlimited add-on that I have disappears so I have to contact three live chat and explain that it's disappeared (they claims that they can still see it on my account) and I have to spent hours showing them by emailing them pictures and explaining to customer relations how they can temporarily fix it by giving me X amount of weeks of data add-on.
Standard User andynormancx
(member) Thu 15-Aug-19 09:54:45
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I've never had that, but then my Three SIM doesn't need an extra addon to get unlimited data.

Three's billing/product configuration systems are absolutely awful. If I wanted my data SIM to keep working I'd make sure I had one with unlimited data builtin to the base product.
Standard User Jake4
(learned) Thu 15-Aug-19 10:24:29
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Yeah, I would've bought a contract but Openreach has installed overhead fibre down my road last month, just waiting for them to switch it on so I can switch and I won't have to pay the remaining X amount of months left on the contract.
Standard User richi
(member) Thu 15-Aug-19 16:26:10
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[re: richi] [link to this post]
 
I should clarify that the drops last about a minute, including the time taken to reconnect and restart PPP, get a new DHCP lease, etc. The dongle has a cyan LED that goes out when the connection drops, and flashes when it's reconnecting.

The good news is that everything's stayed up for the past 18 hours, since I turned off all the Linux torrents and cloud backups. I should probably bite the bullet and replace the dongle with a "real" LTE gateway, but I was hoping to wait for 5G became viable.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User andynormancx
(member) Thu 15-Aug-19 18:53:14
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[re: richi] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by richi:
I should clarify that the drops last about a minute, including the time taken to reconnect and restart PPP, get a new DHCP lease, etc.

On my Mikrotik SXT that all takes less than a second wink
Standard User richi
(member) Fri 16-Aug-19 08:51:46
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In reply to a post by andynormancx:
In reply to a post by richi:
I should clarify that the drops last about a minute, including the time taken to reconnect and restart PPP, get a new DHCP lease, etc.
On my Mikrotik SXT that all takes less than a second wink
Yeah, I think what's happening is the dongle is overheating and completely restarting, rather than simply renegotiating with the cell tower.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Fri 16-Aug-19 16:16:55
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In which I research a new router


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If a dongle isn't up to heavy use, and I can pay a bit more to push my 50/30 connection to the dizzy heights of 150/50, it might be worth buying a whole new Cat-4 router.

Category 6 seems like the bleeding edge, but I've not found one that advertises the new Band 32 (1500 MHz). So I don't see the point in shelling out twice the price for a Cat-6 box.

Am I missing something?

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User kommando
(newbie) Fri 16-Aug-19 16:54:34
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My Huawei B525-23a has Band 32 on it, just waiting for Three to enable it on the local mast, I already get carrier aggregation on Band 20 and Band 3, Band 32 on top would be good.

Edited by kommando (Fri 16-Aug-19 16:56:16)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 16-Aug-19 17:06:33
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[re: richi] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by richi:
Category 6 seems like the bleeding edge.
Am I missing something?


Yes, LTE Cat 6 is about 6 years ago, Cat 20 is closer to bleeding edge, the table on this page may help:
https://www.cablefree.net/wirelesstechnology/4glte/l...

It is hard to find non-phone hardware that is higher than Cat 4, but it is worth it. You can buy some expensive hardware from Netgear for example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-MR1100-100EUS-Night...

plusnet 80/20 (2/jun/14) at 470m - Sync history highest: 64/9 (Sep/17), 54/6 (Jan/19), 51/6 (Mar/19)
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Standard User richi
(member) Mon 19-Aug-19 12:57:05
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In which I ditch the dongle


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It's official: The dongle overheats and reboots itself. I can't make it happen with a fan cooling it down, but it happens almost at will if I load it up.

But I still don't want to over-invest in kit that might be obsolete in a year or two. So I cheaped out on a TL-MR6400. I made sure to get the v4 (the v3 doesn't have removable antennae).

I'm seeing 70/30 Mb/s. Typical pings down in the 30–35 ms range.

Still searching for the optimum placement, but it looks like a nice bit of kit for just £70.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Mon 19-Aug-19 14:20:20
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TBB speed test:
My Broadband Speed Test

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.

Edited by richi (Mon 19-Aug-19 14:35:24)

Standard User Rolandrat
(committed) Mon 19-Aug-19 14:43:37
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Nice isnt it to stick two fingers up at ADSL, dont forget if you ditch broadband on your line, but still keep the phone line you can get a £8 reduction in line rental.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 19-Aug-19 15:32:17
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Or even ditch the line altogether like I did. I used my phone, with two laptops and iPad tethered to it for a few months until I installed a security camera uploading 24/7 (on movement) to the cloud.

That required me to buy the Three B311 system which now handles the camera, laptops and iPad at home.

I'm still £29pm better off with a far better setup, including unlimited everything on my phone instead of 1GB pm.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 19-Aug-19 15:32:49)

Standard User richi
(member) Mon 19-Aug-19 18:30:28
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Yeah, that's my plan when the contract runs out in November. I've been weaning the rest of the household off of making landline phone calls.

What would be handy is to keep the number for incoming calls. Any suggestions for an occasional-use VoIP service to which I could port a landline number?

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 19-Aug-19 19:15:22
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Sorry, no. We were only getting a dozen or so valid incoming landline calls per year, from only three legitimate people. One was happy to switch to all mobile, the other two ring from their landline to mobile and let it ring 3-4 times then ring off. To save landline to mobile high costs.

We don't answer them, but ring back ASAP. Even if only to say we'll ring later to talk properly.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User craski
(committed) Tue 20-Aug-19 08:39:12
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I wasnt aware of this voice only line rental reduction either and recently ceased our ADSL as we now use a WISP. Thanks for mentioning it.

Zen Business FTTC BQM
Talk Talk Business FTTC BQM
IDNET ADSL BQM
Standard User LordVader
(member) Tue 20-Aug-19 09:03:19
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[re: kommando] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by kommando:
My Huawei B525-23a has Band 32 on it, just waiting for Three to enable it on the local mast, I already get carrier aggregation on Band 20 and Band 3, Band 32 on top would be good.


Is there anyway to know if Band 32 is enabled on a mast?

Recently gone for a AI Cube from Three (Huawei B900). Currently getting 4G+ Bands 3/20.

Speeds at times are 100mb+ depending on how its feeling. Mast is only approx 500m away with a few trees inbetween.
Standard User woodmass14
(committed) Tue 20-Aug-19 19:24:03
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I'd love to know this, too. In the meantime i'll have to keep trying that band manually.
Standard User andynormancx
(member) Tue 20-Aug-19 20:12:01
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Is there anyway to know if Band 32 is enabled on a mast?


You could potentially use field test mode on a phone, maybe. That will tell you which band you are on and which band neighbouring cells are offering.
Standard User gary333
(member) Tue 20-Aug-19 20:24:56
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If I am reading the specs right (big if lol) the B900 Cube only supports carrier aggregation (for band 32 specifically) with band 20, and not bands 3 & 32 which I imagine most would want. No idea if this is just down to it’s firmware or a technical limitation.

Edited by gary333 (Tue 20-Aug-19 20:30:38)

Standard User woodmass14
(committed) Wed 21-Aug-19 02:20:10
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Where did you find the specifications for the device? I done a lot of research on the device before ordering and couldn't find much on the device at all.

Edit.

I just had a google and found the product on Amazon. It seems to confirm what you said, unfortunately. Though, i'll not take that as gospel until i've tried it myself.

"FREQUENCY BANDS:LTE: B1/3/7/8/20/32/38 (FDD: 2100 MHz/1800 MHz/2600 MHz/900 MHz/800 MHz/1500 MHz, TDD: 2600 MHz) 2CA (DL): CA_3C/CA_7C/CA_38C/CA_1A-8A/CA_1A-20A/CA_3A-7A/CA_3A- 8A/CA_3A-20A/CA_7A-8A/CA_7A-20A/CA_20A-32A"

Edited by woodmass14 (Wed 21-Aug-19 02:34:09)

Standard User LordVader
(member) Wed 21-Aug-19 08:01:51
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Pritty sure it can do CA on band 32

* Support 4G LTE Band B1/B3/B7/B8/B20/B32/B38

* Support 4G LTE Cat.6 2CC Technology

- CA Bands: CA_3C/CA_7C/CA_38C/CA_1A-8A/CA_1A-20A/CA_3A-7A/CA_3A-8A/CA_3A-20A/CA_7A-8A/CA_7A-20A/CA_20A-32A/

Just need to figure a way to find out if mast supports it.

My mobile unfortunately dont support (Oneplus 3T) band 32 so cant use that to test.
Standard User richi
(member) Wed 21-Aug-19 10:20:03
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I found the VoIP forum. Based on a couple of posts in there, I signed up with Sipgate's free tier. So far so good.

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User richi
(member) Wed 21-Aug-19 10:23:30
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Three tools I've found useful:

1. cellmapper.net
2. The Andoid app Network Cell Info (especially in Map mode)
3. Peter Clarke's website (especially the UK Mobile Spectrum page)

Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.

Edited by richi (Wed 21-Aug-19 10:29:41)

Standard User Brunel
(experienced) Wed 21-Aug-19 13:15:27
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I obtained a few of the freebie 200Mb SIMS, using a Three/Huawei mobile WiFi device.

My average TBB download 26Mbps.

I had to place device in front of a window.

I can almost see the tower, which is on the roof of a block of flats.

A lot of tall trees between the tower and my location.
Standard User LordVader
(member) Thu 22-Aug-19 08:11:52
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My AI cube is sitting in a window as thats there it works best.

Still struggling to get it stable. Every few days im having to with third party apps to reset the bands as it seems after a while it stops doing CA and just sticks with 1 band.

Hoping a future firmware might sort this.

At its best i can get 100mb+ downloads when its CA on bands 3/20. Depending on what it decideds after a couple days it goes back down to either 35mb (band 20) or around 70mb (band 3)

Edited by LordVader (Thu 22-Aug-19 14:18:44)

Standard User gary333
(member) Thu 22-Aug-19 12:49:23
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In reply to a post by LordVader:
My AI cube is sitting in a window as thats there it works best.

Still struggling to get it stable. Every few days im having to with third party apps to reset the bands as it seems after a while it stops doing CA and just sticks with 1 band.

Hoping a future firmware might sort this.

At its best i can get 100mb+ downloads when its CA on bands 3/20. Depending on what it decideds after a couple days it goes back down to either 35mb (band 3) or around 70mb (band 20)


Are you sure you have the bands the right way around? I think band 20 is limited to around 37mb/sec, with band 3 capable of around 100mb/sec (absolute max for the cell). If so and you get the best speeds on band 3 you could lock it to that using third party tool and not get this problem (although sacrifice a little download speed).

I found my B525 would seem to stick to band 20 (and thus low speeds of <10mb/sec peak time if I received a call or for whatever reason their is a network 'burp'. Turning device off and on usually worked, however frustrating so I've locked mine to band 3.
Standard User LordVader
(member) Thu 22-Aug-19 14:20:18
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Are you sure you have the bands the right way around?


Yes you are right, edited smile
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 22-Aug-19 18:26:44
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Its not the bands, its the amount of MHZ allocated to the network IN the bands.
5mhz of LTE is thin
10mhz of LTE is medium
20mhz of LTE is maximum

Three has 5mhz on Band 20 (at 800mhz) and 15mhz on Band 3 (at 1800mhz). These are general use. Then they have some 1400mhz for supplemental downlink (SDL), but this isn't widely deployed.

O2 has more than Three. Vodafone has a lot more, and EE massively more.
Three has a lot more than the others for 5G (at 3500mhz).

If you get a strong Vodafone or O2 signal, worth experimenting as Vodafone now has unlimited plans. (for 2G/3G/4G and 5G).

plusnet 80/20 (2/jun/14) at 470m - Sync history highest: 64/9 (Sep/17), 54/6 (Jan/19), 51/6 (Mar/19)
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Standard User andynormancx
(member) Thu 22-Aug-19 18:39:41
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Does anyone know if you can use those Vodafone SIM in a non phone device ?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 22-Aug-19 19:21:56
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I understand yes. I have an older 4G phone contract SIM and no problem using it in my iPad or Netgear Aircard (MiFi thing).

Most networks don’t care. Three used to but doesn’t anymore I believe as Ofcom stepped in.

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Standard User gary333
(member) Thu 22-Aug-19 22:09:47
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
Its not the bands, its the amount of MHZ allocated to the network IN the bands.
5mhz of LTE is thin
10mhz of LTE is medium
20mhz of LTE is maximum

Three has 5mhz on Band 20 (at 800mhz) and 15mhz on Band 3 (at 1800mhz). These are general use. Then they have some 1400mhz for supplemental downlink (SDL), but this isn't widely deployed.

O2 has more than Three. Vodafone has a lot more, and EE massively more.
Three has a lot more than the others for 5G (at 3500mhz).

If you get a strong Vodafone or O2 signal, worth experimenting as Vodafone now has unlimited plans. (for 2G/3G/4G and 5G).


I am aware of this however you are correct it's a badly worded post of mine smile. My maximum speeds quoted were specifc to Three as that's the network the poster was refering to. I calculated based on their spectrum allowance in band 20 & 3.

Edited by gary333 (Thu 22-Aug-19 22:11:20)

Standard User LordVader
(member) Thu 22-Aug-19 23:15:05
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Can you get free/cheap EE/Vodafone SIM cards anywhere with abit of data so can test anyone know?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 23-Aug-19 00:05:20
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Often free from the provider, certainly from Three. Try their websites.

Any newsagent. £1. Add £5 or £10 for the data.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Aug-19 15:28:49
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In reply to a post by LordVader:
Can you get free/cheap EE/Vodafone SIM cards anywhere with abit of data so can test anyone know?

In my town, any Shell petrol station seems to have them hanging up, as does my local Tesco Express, usually on the end of an aisle. Note that EE limit speeds to 30 megabit/s on PAYG.

plusnet 80/20 (2/jun/14) at 470m - Sync history highest: 64/9 (Sep/17), 54/6 (Jan/19), 51/6 (Mar/19)
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