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Standard User hoopla
(committed) Sat 15-Feb-20 20:03:28
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


[re: jchamier] [link to this post]
 
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In reply to a post by hoopla:
If it doesn't support 4G, why is it called LTE?
The 6890 contains a Cat 6 LTE modem, which compared to todays smartphones (Cat 12, Cat 20) is quite low spec.
Category 6 LTE modem (FDD) with up to 300 Mbit/s on the Internet


Specs are here:
https://en.avm.de/products/fritzbox/fritzbox-6890-lt...

That says it supports bands 1, 3, 7, 8, 20, 28 and 32 - which includes all the bands used by either EE or Three.

OK, it may be restricted to a mere 300MB/sec, but I'd be delighted to see half that.

I'm not suggesting that this is a good device to buy (I've no idea what it costs, for a start) but your objections to it seem a little confusing to me.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 15-Feb-20 20:35:34
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


[re: hoopla] [link to this post]
 
I wasn’t objecting, just advising. A 300mbps device means it won’t have higher features or sensitivity that make reception better, especially in the rural areas. Don’t link “300Mbps” with actual speed. Most phones today are a lot faster. Cat12 or higher. This means more reliable connectivity.

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Standard User hoopla
(committed) Sat 15-Feb-20 22:00:30
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


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In reply to a post by jchamier:
I wasn’t objecting, just advising. A 300mbps device means it won’t have higher features or sensitivity that make reception better, especially in the rural areas. Don’t link “300Mbps” with actual speed. Most phones today are a lot faster. Cat12 or higher. This means more reliable connectivity.
So here I am, 3km clear line of sight to the base station, with RSSI of about -53. The actual download speeds I get are in the region of 20Mb/sec to 50Mb/sec upload, 25Mb/sec to 35Mb/sec.
It uses CA for downloads, but not for uploads.
As far as I know my router has a Cat 6 modem. The connectivity appears to be limited by the network backhaul, or possibly be cell bandwidth.
What would I gain by having a Cat12 one?
What models are Cat12 or better?


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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 15-Feb-20 22:30:01
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


[re: hoopla] [link to this post]
 
Depends on the network you are using. But....

Have a look at this:
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2017/11/14/qualcomm-sho...

Then see these products:

1) NETGEAR AC810 AirCard Mobile Hotspot 4G LTE https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01FUZE5H8/ref=cm_sw_r_c...

2) NETGEAR Nighthawk MR1100 Mobile Hotspot 4G Router, Mifi, Portable Wi-Fi for Travel, Super Fast Download Speeds Up to 1 Gbps, Unlocked for All Networks https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079H2LX8X/ref=cm_sw_r_c...

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Standard User hoopla
(committed) Sat 15-Feb-20 22:56:42
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


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In reply to a post by jchamier:
Depends on the network you are using. But....

Have a look at this:
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2017/11/14/qualcomm-sho...

Then see these products:

1) NETGEAR AC810 AirCard Mobile Hotspot 4G LTE https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01FUZE5H8/ref=cm_sw_r_c...

2) NETGEAR Nighthawk MR1100 Mobile Hotspot 4G Router, Mifi, Portable Wi-Fi for Travel, Super Fast Download Speeds Up to 1 Gbps, Unlocked for All Networks https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079H2LX8X/ref=cm_sw_r_c...
Hmm. I don't think I explained my requirements well enough. Those two devices appear to be portable mifi units, with no antenna connections and no network ports. Yes, you could put one in your pocket, but what I want is something that I can connect to an external antenna, plug in and leave to get on with its job, week in, week out.

The article shows you can sell more bandwidth over Cat16 than over Cat 9. But Three seemingly can't even manage to provide a fraction of that bandwidth. The bottleneck seemingly isn't the link between the modem and the cell, it's the link from the cell back to the network.
Would there be any benefit to me to have a Cat16 modem instead of a Cat6 one in such a situation?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 15-Feb-20 23:57:00
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


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Both have SMA connectors for antenna. The second one has an Ethernet jack. The first has an optional cradle available.

How can you tell if if it is an RF or backhaul congestion problem?

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Standard User hoopla
(committed) Sun 16-Feb-20 18:21:16
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
Both have SMA connectors for antenna. The second one has an Ethernet jack. The first has an optional cradle available.
Does it? why does the spec not say so?
In reply to a post by jchamier:
How can you tell if if it is an RF or backhaul congestion problem?
That's what I am asking you!

But to give you a clue to why I think there is a problem, see this:

Tracing route to thinkbroadband.com [80.249.106.141]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.200
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 105 ms 106 ms 74 ms 172.20.197.65
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 73 ms 91 ms 67 ms 172.21.25.85
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 64 ms 57 ms 49 ms 172.20.231.154
9 51 ms 57 ms 54 ms ip4.gtt.net [213.254.199.214]
10 58 ms 48 ms 47 ms et-0-0-41.cr11-lon2.ip4.gtt.net [213.254.199.213]
11 60 ms 49 ms 52 ms ip4.gtt.net [77.67.98.54]
12 46 ms 47 ms 46 ms ae-0.r24.londen12.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.140]
13 58 ms 58 ms 63 ms ae-8.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.22]
14 40 ms 52 ms 51 ms 62.73.169.10
15 55 ms 51 ms 51 ms po4-31.core-rs4.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.85]
16 46 ms 43 ms 46 ms ip106-141.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.106.141]

then a bit later on the same evening:

Tracing route to thinkbroadband.com [80.249.106.141]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms homerouter.cpe [192.168.0.200]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 216 ms 88 ms 74 ms 172.20.197.69
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * 2492 ms 172.21.25.81
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 3807 ms 2243 ms 3698 ms 172.20.231.146
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 2672 ms * 1853 ms et-0-0-55.cr11-lon2.ip4.gtt.net [89.149.141.213]
12 2273 ms 207 ms 1036 ms ip4.gtt.net [77.67.98.54]
13 3074 ms * * ae-0.r24.londen12.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.140]
14 * * 3696 ms ae-8.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.22]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * 3951 ms 1408 ms ip106-141.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.106.141]
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 16-Feb-20 18:46:08
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


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Mine, a few seconds ago.
C:\Users\Bob>tracert 80.249.106.141

Tracing route to ip106-141.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.106.141]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms homerouter.cpe [192.168.8.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 51 ms 57 ms 45 ms 172.23.64.133
4 55 ms 41 ms 52 ms 172.31.244.19
5 64 ms 37 ms 61 ms 188.31.255.97.threembb.co.uk [188.31.255.97]
6 53 ms 59 ms 41 ms 188.31.255.174.threembb.co.uk [188.31.255.174]
7 50 ms 47 ms 47 ms be4497.ccr21.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.3.129]
8 53 ms 49 ms 47 ms be2871.ccr42.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.58.185]
9 60 ms 43 ms 42 ms be2792.ccr21.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.57.106]
10 51 ms 48 ms 48 ms ae-33.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.66.145]
11 38 ms 49 ms 48 ms 62.73.169.10
12 65 ms 48 ms 44 ms po4-31.core-rs4.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.85]
13 47 ms 50 ms 46 ms ip106-141.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.106.141]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Bob>

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User hoopla
(committed) Sun 16-Feb-20 19:00:06
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


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Just tried again - much the same. Before they "fixed" the network issues, I was seeing threembb.co.uk steps, but not any more!

Tracing route to ip106-141.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.106.141]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms <1 ms homerouter.cpe [192.168.0.200]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 71 ms 98 ms 126 ms 172.20.197.69
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 61 ms 55 ms 43 ms 172.21.25.81
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 67 ms 52 ms 39 ms 172.20.231.154
9 48 ms 56 ms 45 ms ip4.gtt.net [213.254.199.214]
10 52 ms 45 ms 46 ms et-0-0-41.cr11-lon2.ip4.gtt.net [213.254.199.213]
11 49 ms 52 ms 53 ms ip4.gtt.net [77.67.98.54]
12 57 ms 47 ms 45 ms ae-0.r24.londen12.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.140]
13 43 ms 47 ms 47 ms ae-8.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.22]
14 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms 62.73.169.10
15 64 ms 59 ms 49 ms po4-31.core-rs4.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.85]
16 58 ms 48 ms 46 ms ip106-141.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.106.141]

Trace complete.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 16-Feb-20 20:06:15
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Re: 4G Router with DECT, POTS or VoIP for the 4G SIM


[re: hoopla] [link to this post]
 
You may be on a new network, or the routers near you don’t want to respond as they are BUSY handling real traffic.

Your trace route operates at the TCP/IP layer. Not at the LTE layer (physical). Yes you might have LTE congestion and network congestion. I have no idea how you tell about LTE congestion.

Do you have a rooted android phone with Qualcomm modem? If you do there is a complex engineering tool called NSG on the Play Store. But working out what the information means learning LTE. I just searched Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1118725107/ref=cm_sw_r_c...

You could also ask on the Digital Spy mobile forum where knowledgable people post.

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Edited by jchamier (Sun 16-Feb-20 20:07:18)

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