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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 19-Jan-20 20:14:15
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..... 4g sim using router ?

A family member wishes to ditch their landline. No fancy requirements, just that it should be easy to use.

Question 2 ... who is doing the best deals for the SIM at the moment please ?

Thanks.

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 19-Jan-20 20:56:21
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The provider they choose depends on data volume requirements and signal strength (speed) from local masts.

I only know about Three wrt ease of setup, where it was literally a case of inserting the SIM that came with the router, plugging in and turning on the router, then waiting a while as what was a TR-069 or similar did its thing. Three like to configure SIMs even for phones with several downloads.

If there is only one person in the household, then just upgrading their phone SIM for the amount of data could be adequate. Assuming their phone is 4G capable. Tether the computer and maybe a tablet to it. That's what I did until I needed broadband for a cloud-updating 24/7 security camera setup, as obviously when the phone went out with me the cameras became useless.

(I think there are now some security cameras that have internet connection built in, needing a SIM in them of course. Which for more than one would be uneconomic when a router can handle several).

Remember also that any setup like this is useless for gaming, due to the latency being all over the place.

A good tip is to get £1 PAYG SIMs for EE, Three, Vodafone from a newspaper shop and load a tenner onto each, assuming they have a 4G-capable smart-phone. Try them all out for a few minutes at a few times of day and at weekends. EE will probably come out the winner on performance. Three could be perfectly acceptable, as it is for me, and cheapest.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 19-Jan-20 21:26:27
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Cheers Bob.

Online gaming ? Hahahahahaha err, no.


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Standard User clyde123
(member) Mon 20-Jan-20 08:39:59
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I got a Smarty sim a couple of months ago. "Unlimited" data, list price £25 a month although I'm paying a bit less.
I've had no problems at all with it. Used it in a cheapo ebay 4G router with very good results.
It's presently in the young lad's phone because he's using tethering from that for his TV.

No hassles setting it up. It's sort of PAYG - just cancel the direct debit so it doesn't renew if you want to cancel.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Jan-20 09:10:42
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Thank you for that.

Do you recall exactly which router you’ve been using ?

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 20-Jan-20 10:09:59
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The current list price on Smarty website is £20pm.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User gary333
(member) Mon 20-Jan-20 10:27:15
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
The current list price on Smarty website is £20pm.


Smarty are quite good with their discounts too. For example I was paying £18.75 when the price was £25 (equiv. 20% off). When they reduced the unlimited tariff for all to £20 last month they also dropped the people with their discount @ £18.75 tariff down to only £15. Good to see as the T&C's didn't state that this was a percentage discount.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 20-Jan-20 11:10:25
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The thing is, that Smarty is Three, at the same website price, but without the contract. Surely there must be a snag?

Interesting that the Three combo router + SIM is now subject to price based on location. Starting at £22. I expect that is because of readying for 5G, where I seem to remember for new customers there will be a higher price. The adverts so far have been that all SIMs are 5G ready, at no extra cost when it becomes available.

Which is great for those like me already on the system on 4G, but not a good pricing structure for areas that already have it at the time a new punter joins.

There’s another thought. Does anyone know Smarty’s policy on 5G?

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User andynormancx
(member) Mon 20-Jan-20 12:13:03
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Interesting that the Three combo router + SIM is now subject to price based on location. Starting at £22. I expect that is because of readying for 5G, where I seem to remember for new customers there will be a higher price.


Really ? I can't see anything suggesting that on their website.

http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Devices/Huawei/E5573...

The plans don't mention anything about location. I can't imagine how that would even work anyway ?

Is this what you are referring to:

"Fast 4G Broadband from just £22 per month (subject to location)"

If so, I think they mean the "Fast" bit is subject to location, not the £22 bit ?
Standard User andynormancx
(member) Mon 20-Jan-20 12:18:37
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Also, they are pricing their 5G mobile broadband service completely separately, which they can do because (for now) you need their 5G router to get it (as buying a 5G router as a consumer isn't practical yet).

They have priced it separately at £30/month:

http://www.three.co.uk/store/broadband/home-broadban...
Standard User gary333
(member) Mon 20-Jan-20 12:27:50
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
The thing is, that Smarty is Three, at the same website price, but without the contract. Surely there must be a snag?

Interesting that the Three combo router + SIM is now subject to price based on location. Starting at £22. I expect that is because of readying for 5G, where I seem to remember for new customers there will be a higher price. The adverts so far have been that all SIMs are 5G ready, at no extra cost when it becomes available.

Which is great for those like me already on the system on 4G, but not a good pricing structure for areas that already have it at the time a new punter joins.

There’s another thought. Does anyone know Smarty’s policy on 5G?


The only snag I can see with Smarty is that their customer service is non existent in the conventional sense (telephone). You have to use web chat or email, telephone isn't an option.

The other element is being a relatively unknown entity you either have to undercut on price or excel in some other quality metric to succeed. So Smarty have to differentiate, and it looks like they are trying to do this on price.

Edited by gary333 (Mon 20-Jan-20 12:28:36)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 20-Jan-20 13:01:43
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Also, they are pricing their 5G mobile broadband service completely separately, which they can do because (for now) you need their 5G router to get it (as buying a 5G router as a consumer isn't practical yet).

They have priced it separately at £30/month:

http://www.three.co.uk/store/broadband/home-broadban...
They also advertise that the SIMs are 5G-ready at no extra cost. To most people that would mean what I took it to. It would either simply start working in a 5G area (if you are using 5G-capable equipment), or they would download the necessary configuration software free on request.

The separate pricing for "New" 5G customers is exactly what I was referring to in my post.

Edit: Ah, yes. The £30 is the HomeFi with a 5G-capable router. Nothing to do with the SIM itself so far as I can tell smile.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Jan-20 14:28:19
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Also, they are pricing their 5G mobile broadband service completely separately, which they can do because (for now) you need their 5G router to get it (as buying a 5G router as a consumer isn't practical yet).

AND because there are still two networks, the "Three" network, which is being upgraded , and the "Three Broadband" network, formerly known as Relish, which only has coverage in very small parts of London.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 20-Jan-20 15:49:06
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There's some interesting stuff on this site.

The link is to the Three page but it compares with others there. I haven't looked at other pages.

I don't think I need to consider 5G for a very long way into the future wink.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Jan-20 17:44:20
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Not a bad site comparing the networks, but "launched" is a bit too positive for Three, what they've done is purchase Relish and rebrand it. Which is completely separate, using separate spectrum and management / billing etc, to the main network.

What it means is you cannot buy a phone handset on 5G with Three, but you can with the other networks. They are yet to launch this service. Its legal, but confusing. :

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Standard User buggerlugs
(learned) Mon 20-Jan-20 19:43:58
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Online gaming ? Hahahahahaha err, no.

Actually I manage just fine on xbox live with a B535 on Three.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 21-Jan-20 07:10:19
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There appears to be no coverage for Three in the corner of West Wales where required.

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 21-Jan-20 08:38:49
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It will be worth doing a site survey with PAYG sims from all 4 networks if you haven't already. The maps are useful. CellMapper isn't very good either as not enough "enthusiasts" in that area.

I was looking at rural areas around Camarthen last year, and around there is a very much single network and touch-and-go coverage. frown

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Standard User clyde123
(member) Tue 21-Jan-20 11:42:53
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Hi Zarjaz, hope this isn't too late for you, don't often get on here more than once a day.
That 4G router is this one : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4G-LTE-CPE-WiFi-Wireless-...

Yes I know the seller feedback score is not great. The item itself works well enough. The one downside is it came with a Euro 2 pin PSU, and with a UK to EU adapter. (I got pelters on another thread for using that EU adapter).
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 21-Jan-20 12:19:47
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Thank you. smile

Standard User jabuzzard
(committed) Tue 21-Jan-20 13:08:08
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The other thing is with poor signal you might look into using something like a Mikrotik SXT LTE6 Kit or even a LHG LTE6 kit if necessary. I note that these are brand new version of previous products with a CAT6 LTE modem, which is an improvement over the older ones which are only CAT4 from memory. Though they still come with a 100Mbps ethernet port which does limit things somewhat. However I guess a working 4G connection limited to 100Mbps is going to be a massive upgrade.

They are designed to be mounted outside pointed directly at the mobile phone mast. Best powered using PoE with some Cat5e or better. You can use them as your router directly with a cheap PoE switch or put them in pass through with something like a Ubiquiti Edgerouter X SFP or Mikrotik hEX PoE. For WiFi user some separate WiFi access points say cAP Lite/cAP from Mikrotik or the UniFi AC-Lite/AC-LR from Ubiquiti.
Standard User kams19
(newbie) Wed 05-Feb-20 14:09:32
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I will second Mikrotik SXT/LHG external mounted kit. You just set them up once and they work without issues.
Standard User gary333
(committed) Wed 05-Feb-20 14:47:29
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The problem with the Mikrotik SXT LTE6 Kit is that it doesn't support carrier aggregation across band 1 and 3 so won't give the highest speeds in many Three areas - which is a shame as it's a nice bit of kit.
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