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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 07-Apr-20 18:55:35
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EE Unlimited Fair Usage Policy - Device Limit


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Hi All

I'm due to move in to a new property and unfortunately it's looking likely that the most viable option for us to get a reasonable speed is to take out a 4G unlimited plan and run this through a 4G capable router.

EE is my preference and I understand that their unlimited plan has a fair usage limit of 1TB, which is fine, but I'm slightly hesitant to go with them over another network due to their 12 device limit.

Like a lot of these fair usage policies, this isn't particularly transparent - there will be 3 of us living there, so we will be riding pretty close to the limit in terms of devices overall, but is this 12 active devices being used at once? Or 12 total over a period of time? As I don't particuarly understand how they could argue the latter given people get new devices all the time.

I'd be very surprised if we ever have 12 devices simultaneously running/utilising the network at once, but we'd definitely hit that number in terms of total devices in the house, but a number of these would be inactive - hope that makes sense

Just hoping if anyone has any experience with this and could spell any concerns?

Thanks in advance
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 07-Apr-20 20:02:46
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Looking at the actual EE wording it reads to me very much as twelve devices simultaneously.

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Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Apr-20 20:16:11
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Looking at the actual EE wording it reads to me very much as twelve devices simultaneously.

Could also be a limitation of the WiFi router they're providing.

It would be worth tweeting EE for clarity, or calling them.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 07-Apr-20 21:06:00
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They don't do an unlimited Router+SIM. Only unlimited phone SIMs with the 12-device tethering "limit".

I know they can't stop people putting such a SIM into a suitable router, but I'm not sure to what extent they can detect the number of devices connected to a router.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Apr-20 21:19:50
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Given any ISP can see into any router they supply for support reasons (I’m thinking BT, and Virgin and Vodafone) I am assuming EE can do the same.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 07-Apr-20 21:33:00
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That's true.

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Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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Standard User sheephouse
(member) Tue 07-Apr-20 22:40:13
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I swapped to using an EE 4G SIM a month ago - I use it to provide broadband for my business (to replace ADSL) and the restrictions on the number of devices was something I specifically asked about. I was told it was the number supported using WiFi by the router they provide, and that there was no limit for SIM only other than the 1TB(ish) cap. I have been using it for just over a month, and I have a lot more than 12 devices attached (using my own MikroTik router and Ubiquiti APs).
No problems at all so far - it is is the best broadband connection I've ever had and the only downside is the variable latency.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 08-Apr-20 00:13:40
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Unlimited Plans.
EE SIM PLAN TERMS AND PRICE GUIDE EE 12 MONTH, 24 MONTH AND 30 DAY SIM PLANS

Available from 1st May 2019
Updated 20th January 2020
Uncapped and Unlimited data - 50GB fair use policy applies outside UK. Personal, non-commercial use only. If you regularly tether 12 or more devices, we will consider this non-personal use and have the right to move you to a more suitable plan. We will consider usage above 1000GB/month to be commercial use and have the right to move you to a business plan. You can choose from 3 swappables (Amazon Prime Video, BT Sport or the Roam Further Pass). You can gift up to 100GB. Data usage on an unlimited plan will decrement from giftable allowance. Any data boost allowance will be added to the giftable allowance.


My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Three 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
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"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people." Oscar Wilde
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Apr-20 07:56:11
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If you regularly tether 12 or more devices, we will consider this non-personal use and have the right to move you to a more suitable plan.

That seems clear - but I remember a landline ISP (was it Vodafone?) whom said over 15 devices wasn't supported. Also I wonder if that is 'tethering' as many mobile devices and MiFi units have a 5 device limit on their thethering.

Personally I would just do it and not worry about it smile

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Standard User Ewok
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Apr-20 09:13:05
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I am sure I read recently it was not legal for them to claim "unlimited" and then slap fair usage caps on it??
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