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Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Sat 06-Jun-20 10:58:38
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I'm currently testing both the MR600 and B535 to decide which to keep. I'm on Three and the best signals are in my loft. I live in rural Somerset, a few miles from the tower that both routers pick up, and tend not to suffer from too much contention.

I can't make any comment on their wi-fi performance as I disable this and use access points connected via ethernet.

MR600 is running the beta firmware v1_1.1.0_0.9.1 available from the TP-Link community site that allows band selection. I have attached the bunny ears that came with it - signal quality suffers without.

B535 is running 10.0.2.1 firmware out of the box. It seems to have a better signal without bunny ears.

The MR600 ran faultlessly for over week while I worked from home - video conferences never dropped. The kids can game on both PS4 with voice chat and the Nintendo Switch which is notoriously fussy given the P2P nature of its online service. I watched Solo on Disney+ which it says is 4K and YouTube usually defaults to 720p.

Having had the B535 for a few days, it has matched the MR600 for stability, but I will run it through next week for a proper test. Should probably watch Rogue One to continue the Star Wars comparison.

To answer queries from @barker04 in another thread.

1) Speeds compare
Very similar. Both achieve maximum of 60 down and 30 up, more typically 30-40 down and 20 up. I would say that the MR600 appears slightly more consistent on speeds, but given all the factors involved I'd say there's no difference.
2) How stability / signal strength compares
Both achieve 4G+ on bands 3+20. Forcing any other combination using the MR600 interface or LTE H-Monitor proves pointless. SNR hovers around 10, RSRQ around -9, RSRP around -100 - not great!
3) How UI compares
The MR600 is more user friendly, though ultimately doesn't given you much more if you're comfortable using LTE H-Monitor for the B535. I really appreciate that you can reserve loads of IP addresses on the MR600 (I'm up to 24 with no idea of the limit), whereas the B535 only allows 8 I believe. Of course, most people won't be bothered as DHCP usually handles things fine.
4) If you are running the new firmware to allow band fixing? As I want to do this
Yes, and it seems to work, although you can't guarantee results as it's the router requesting a band from the tower. The MR600 is faultless in always securing 4G+ on 3+20, whereas the B535 seems much more picky - often getting just 4G on band 20 with really slow speeds. Using LTE H-Monitor I have fixed 3+20 which has secured 4G+ so far.
5) Which you would recommend
I genuinely can't answer this yet. I would be happy with either. Interesting the number of issues with both you see reported on various forums. I understand the MR600 beta firmware includes a number of other fixes for issues that probably caused problems for early adopters back in 2019. I don't think I've seen the page stalling on the B535 that many people reported early in lockdown - but time will tell.

What this has mostly taught me is that trying to get fast, stable 4G can be incredibly tricky. Moving routers or their aerials by a tiny amount can have a significant impact. If I place the B535 at a slightly different angle and reboot it, I get 4G only on band 20, hopeless speeds, and am on the verge of returning it! But then move it a little using signal readings to check placement, lock 3+20 with LTE H-Monitor, and it's a great router.

For sure the MR600 has been far less fussy about placement.

And FWIW, the design of the MR600 itself is better. Can be laid flat or mounted on a wall thanks to the placement of its ports. The B535 with cables sticking out the back won't allow that.

Happy to answer any other questions. I don't use advanced features, so won't be able to comment on any of those I'm afraid.
Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Sat 06-Jun-20 11:19:58
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Forgot to say that you can see the UI for MR600 here - MR600 emulator

It's the stock firmware, so doesn't show you the band selection additions.
Standard User buggerlugs
(member) Sat 06-Jun-20 12:16:44
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Interestingly the MR600 is cat 6 and the B535 is cat 7, so realistically (depending on antenna quality) the B535 "should" provide a better, faster, connection.


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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Jun-20 20:13:41
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In reply to a post by buggerlugs:
Interestingly the MR600 is cat 6 and the B535 is cat 7, so realistically (depending on antenna quality) the B535 "should" provide a better, faster, connection.

Cat 7 over 6 only affects uplink, and only if your operator supports it on the mast. In Phone terms both are quite old now.

Cat 6 - 300down, 50up - theoretical
Cat 7 - 300down, 100up - theoretical

Neither 6 or 7 support 64QAM or any of the higher modes in Cat12 or higher.

A useful reference:
https://www.rfwireless-world.com/Terminology/LTE-Adv...

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Edited by jchamier (Sat 06-Jun-20 20:13:52)

Standard User barker04
(member) Sat 06-Jun-20 21:48:08
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Thanks - How does the wifi compare? Seen reports of the MR600 being flaky on wifi.
Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Sun 07-Jun-20 06:48:39
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Thanks - How does the wifi compare? Seen reports of the MR600 being flaky on wifi.

Sorry, can’t really answer this as I have wi-fi disabled. Old house, thick walls, and the router is in the loft. No choice but to use access points (TP-Link EAP225s) although a mesh system would be another alternative. A while back I decided to treat 4G and wi-fi separately without the expectation of a one-box solution.

But because you asked, I temporarily enabled the MR600’s wi-fi and I have to say performance is impressive. Comfortably covers the top floor and even some of the ground floor. It’s shown me the impact of using APs. Running a speed test while connected directly to the router showed reduced latency and a top download speed of 80 Mbps!
Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Sun 07-Jun-20 06:53:45
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by buggerlugs:
Interestingly the MR600 is cat 6 and the B535 is cat 7, so realistically (depending on antenna quality) the B535 "should" provide a better, faster, connection.

Cat 7 over 6 only affects uplink, and only if your operator supports it on the mast.

Thanks v much for clarifying that. I never knew 👍
Standard User barker04
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 07:26:58
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Interesting thanks .

Is it really the case that most masts are 64QAM now ? The ee mast I want to connect to is the only one locally with anything other than just band 20 on it . Therefore if I can get even faster speeds with ee from another router that’s not too expensive I would be very interested !
Standard User barker04
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 07:45:35
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Great thanks again for checking for me much appreciated.

In the settings I wondered if you can see if it does the 64QAM mentioned ? I think the mast I might connect to supports this - although have no way to know for sure before I buy this so keen to get a router that supports this if I can .
Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Sun 07-Jun-20 08:46:27
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In reply to a post by barker04:
n the settings I wondered if you can see if it does the 64QAM mentioned ? I think the mast I might connect to supports this - although have no way to know for sure before I buy this so keen to get a router that supports this if I can .

There’s nothing visible about 64QAM and I had to look up what it is. On the MR600 forum, someone has identified the actual modem inside the box, and the specs state up to 64QAM. But I can’t validate that in any way.

FWIW the MR600 doesn’t report tower or cell IDs like the B535 which makes problem determination trickier.

While I’m here, I should add that both routers work fine with Sonos multi room audio and Philips Hue wi-fi bulbs. Just writing this makes my house sound like a technology hub!
Standard User buggerlugs
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 11:02:37
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Good question Barker, I don't think my local mast is 64QAM yet, the growth of 6ft high nettles inside its fenced off area makes me think no ones been to it in the last 5 years.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 07-Jun-20 11:29:09
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Good question Barker, I don't think my local mast is 64QAM yet, the growth of 6ft high nettles inside its fenced off area makes me think no ones been to it in the last 5 years.

You can't tell from looking, many systems are upgradable remotely by software. You would need to use a rooted Qualcomm Android phone with a tool such as Network Signal Guru to be sure. Until then it is all guesswork.

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Standard User barker04
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 12:21:37
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Hmm in which case does this mr600 support 64QAM ? Does anyone know , or can you suggest one that does ? Not sure if the B535 does ?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 07-Jun-20 12:39:22
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Hmm in which case does this mr600 support 64QAM ? Does anyone know , or can you suggest one that does ? Not sure if the B535 does ?

I wouldn't worry about QAM, look at the LTE category. If your mast is cat6 and your receiver is cat 6 that is the best you can get.

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Standard User barker04
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 12:53:48
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QAM seems to have a fairly big difference though 50Mbps for 64 increase vs 16 though so would be a shame not to try it ? No way to know if mast is more than band 6 is there ? And does that even take QAM into account ?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 07-Jun-20 12:56:30
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Yes, the category includes QAM as one of hundreds of technical parameters. Try a relatively recent phone on the same network and see if you get higher speeds, e.g. outdoors. If you don't then don't worry about it.

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Standard User barker04
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 15:00:13
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I’m really surprised this is so complicated - surely if a cat 6 device cannot do 64QAM then it simply can’t ? Has anyone found another router that’s cat 8 or higher for reasonable price ?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 07-Jun-20 17:09:38
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I’m really surprised this is so complicated - surely if a cat 6 device cannot do 64QAM then it simply can’t ?

I don't know which LTE Category includes which levels of QAM, but if a device is sold as a certain category it will handle the level of QAM required for that category.

The better category routers are the pocket style ones, e.g. the Netgear MR range, which have Ethernet and WiFi and yes, cost as much as a phone.

MR1 / MR1100:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-MR1100-100EUS-Night...

MR2 / MR:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-Mobile-Ho...

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Standard User buggerlugs
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 20:15:33
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What I don't get is, these high number CAT chips in year old phones are mass produced, so are not expensive chips, So why are they not also put in current routers?

I mean my current mobile a 2018 Honor 8x is even cat 12, so what possible reason is there for carriers to give out Cat 6 routers in 2020?

At a risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, maybe they don't want home broadband LTE customers to have a really fast connection and hammer every single mast's bandwidth? They know folks with 5g and 4g mobiles will mostly just use data in a bursty fashion regardless of how high end (higher CAT level) it is. So could it be done deliberately to hobble home users?

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Standard User barker04
(member) Sun 07-Jun-20 20:31:22
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Cant be any other reason I dont think...
Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Mon 08-Jun-20 11:25:56
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Quick comparison update.....

I just cannot get the B535 to perform as well as the MR600. Yes, I’m surprised. Internal or external aerials. I even have a Poynting omni-directional antenna (admittedly still inside the loft that I can wave around!) but I cannot get the B535 to consistently perform in terms of signal stats or speeds. It often drops to 4G only, and stays that way, in exactly the same scenario that the MR600 sticks like glue to 4G+ on 3+20.

Anyway, I’ll keep testing.....
Standard User barker04
(member) Mon 08-Jun-20 14:05:41
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Sounds like the new firmware has made it quite good.

Shame dont know if it does 64 QAM frown
Standard User hoopla
(committed) Mon 08-Jun-20 14:52:37
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by barker04:
I’m really surprised this is so complicated - surely if a cat 6 device cannot do 64QAM then it simply can’t ?

I don't know which LTE Category includes which levels of QAM, but if a device is sold as a certain category it will handle the level of QAM required for that category.

The better category routers are the pocket style ones, e.g. the Netgear MR range, which have Ethernet and WiFi and yes, cost as much as a phone.

MR1 / MR1100:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-MR1100-100EUS-Night...

MR2 / MR:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-Mobile-Ho...

Are there any with external antenna connections as well as ethernet ports? Really not bothered about wi-fi, but I do want to use a network cable and directional antennas
Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Tue 09-Jun-20 05:56:45
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Millimetre by millimetre of tweaking I can get signal stats on the B535 to match the MR600. RSRQ -3, RSRP -100, RSSI -77, SINR 15 on a beautiful clear morning. 64 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up as evidenced here - speedtest result.

But this router most often defaults to band 20 if left to its own devices, and I’ve had to lock to 3+20 with H-Monitor. If I didn’t have access to band fixing, it’d be returned already.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 09-Jun-20 07:56:52
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In reply to a post by hoopla:
Are there any with external antenna connections as well as ethernet ports? Really not bothered about wi-fi, but I do want to use a network cable and directional antennas

All three of the Netgear units have TS-9 antenna connectors, for example here is the page for the M1:
https://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/mobile-broad...

Netgear have also announced the M5 unit for 5G !!
https://www.netgear.co.uk/about/press-releases/2020/...

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Standard User DGR1
(newbie) Sat 13-Jun-20 20:00:51
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I've concluded my testing, and while I will likely keep both routers, I have found the MR600 to work best for me. Both routers ran for a week with no problems, and both achieve similar top speeds - but the MR600 has been more consistent with achieving those speeds, and has happily sat on 4G+ the whole time, bands 3+20. The B535 continues to be inconsistent in performance and will try to connect to a single band given the chance.

Using LTE H-Monitor really helps with the B535, and it's frustrating that the MR600 doesn't report cell ID.

I think the beta firmware on the MR600 is really solid, and it appears many issues have been ironed out in the year since the product released. I suspect we will never get new firmware for the B535.

Testing complete.
Standard User davidc01
(newbie) Thu 25-Jun-20 21:58:29
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I bought the B535 recently because the MR600 beta firmware hasn't been working for me.

On the MR600, the band selection does nothing for me. On Three, I can never get anything other than 3,3 no matter what I select, and mostly it's just single band 3.
On EE if I select 7 and none, I can mostly reliably get 7,7, but if I select just about anything else it almost appears random what I get back (often 3,3).

Rebooting the device seems to lose everything and I have to start the whole crazy process over. Do you do anything special to get this to work for you?

On the B535, I have been using the HUA CTRL app on Android to change bands, and this has been working reliably so far...

It has also let me see that it would appear to be SINR in my area that is a problem for me, and I guess why I don't get great speeds. Doesn't seem to matter where I move internal or external antenna, it stays below 10...and fluctuates a lot!

Haven't tried the LTE-H Monitor yet, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll give this a go!
Standard User davidc01
(newbie) Thu 25-Jun-20 22:35:52
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After messing around with LTE-H Monitor for a while I can only say I'm more confused.

Up till now, on EE, 7,7 has given me the best results. I've also now noticed that this was on a tower much further away than others nearby.
I tried to force it to connect to a closer tower by selecting different bands and moving the antenna around, but gave up. If I forced it to connect to a closer tower by picking a band only that tower had, it connected by with appalling speeds.

Because 7 was on that further away tower only (according to cellmapper), I decided to deselect 7 to see if that would make it use a closer tower. Instead, its picked band 1 for both upload and download. I no longer get 4G+ (single connection on band 1 only), but I get triple my download and nearly double my upload. In fact, this is the best speeds I've had on all networks I've tried so far.

Or is this is all based on the fact that its 10.30 pm now and less people are streaming netflix over 4G?
I'll try again tomorrow...I'll also try forcing Band 1 on the MR600 and comparing since I now know it's a magic one!
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 25-Jun-20 23:20:19
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You’re fighting the mast, which knows load and signal quality on each band. Data you don’t have.

Leave it to automatic.

Yes time of day and big events on TV will show up in speed tests.

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Standard User davidc01
(newbie) Thu 25-Jun-20 23:28:25
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I'm sure that's true for a lot of people/areas, but where I am i've only managed to get usable speeds by forcing particular bands. I've been experimenting for the last 3 months with 4G as my Virgin internet has been so terrible since lock down. Auto will give me 1-5MB on pretty much all networks. Manual selection has, up until now, given me 15-30. Tonight I got 60.

I think the only network where auto has got me best results has been Vodafone, bur after tonight's shock jump in bandwidth, I'd be tempted to revisit that thought too.
Standard User davidc01
(newbie) Fri 26-Jun-20 09:27:16
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Still got my magic bandwidth this morning - it's such a relief! If this stays stable I might even ditch my 350MB virgin connection that somehow has latency that reaches seconds at times.

At some point I'll switch back to the MR600 and see if I can replicate the bandwidth by forcing Band 1 on that. I wish I knew the trick to getting the MR600 to actually use the bands I pick! I think once they are on the same bands the speeds are basically the same between them.

For people looking for further comparisons:
MR600 has no bridge mode, so if you're like me and intending on connecting it directly to your gateway (either as primary or secondary), then you have to jump through hoops.
However, the B535 has limited settings outside of Bridge mode. e.g. right now I have it on a static IP so I can switch gateways on my network whenever I want, however, as far as I can tell there is no way to set the subnet. The interface is nicer, but it feels limited by comparison.

MR600 has the band selection in the interface in the beta firmware (and they're still releasing firmware!), however for me this doesn't really work as intended, as previously explained. Also, there are some band combinations that it doesn't support for 4G+. E.g. it won't do 1+3, which is important on the Three network.
The B535 has no band selection in the interface, but the Android HUA Ctrl app, and the PC/NAS application LTE H-Monitor are great for analysing your signal. For me this would be the deciding factor between them. When I was getting my external antenna fitted on the roof it was a nightmare with the MR600. Sometimes it seems to need a reboot for a band change or antenna movement to have an impact... but you don't really know because you don't have good read-outs. With the apps for the B535 I was back on the roof last night with mobile phone in hand, looking to see if I could get a better SINR - not great, but a way better solution.

I seem to be in the middle of about 5 towers, which is possibly why I have so many issues, but if you are having similar problems, the analytics on the B535 make it the winner so far - that plus it has a proper bridge mode.

I'll report back when I've tested the B535 for longer.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 26-Jun-20 09:39:48
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I think the only network where auto has got me best results has been Vodafone, bur after tonight's shock jump in bandwidth, I'd be tempted to revisit that thought too.
Fascinating. Just be aware that in higher load situations, you may find yourself with very poor service. The mast will think your device is faulty, if it advertises it supports 4 bands, but you've artifically limited it to 2.

Lockdown / home working has put a lot more load in residential areas that previously was spread around the area on lots of masts. In my town the town centre mast has many more bands and capacity, but the residential areas have a lot less capacity. This was great until lockdown arrived!

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Standard User davidc01
(newbie) Fri 26-Jun-20 13:06:55
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I did my best to be "scientific" about my approach to trying all this out, but I keep getting results that completely throw me, like the Band 1 one. There are simply too many variables to adjust, as far as I can tell - particularly with signal reflections etc. Moving an external antenna a fraction can even make a big difference. The networks being all over the place at the moment because of lockdown does not help the scientific method much either, as it it's hard to have a "control" to base changes on.

My suspicion is that auto works well on one mast at a time with multiple bands. I think Vodafone I normally connect to the closer mast with more bands and it does a good job of picking. With EE the closer masts are terrible and by chance the channel 1 seems to be great on one further away.
Three has been all over the place - but I think as you say, that is because its such a popular choice for home 4G broadband and its getting overloaded.

What's also interesting is that custom band selection gets me better bandwidth than my Samsung S10 as well - even if I stand on my roof next to my external antenna and hold my phone up high...
My neighbours must think I'm crazy... the lengths I go for better ping times!
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 26-Jun-20 13:39:16
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My neighbours must think I'm crazy... the lengths I go for better ping times!

Ha, don't forget masts on some networks are being updated to MIMO, so you have multiple transmit antenna and multiple receive antenna. Written an 4T4R for example. The newer handsets have this, e.g. your S10 will certainly support. The "cheaper" design home routers will not have provision for this.

The MIMO technology increases capacity especially at the distance ("cell edge") by helping against the multipath effect of high frequencies.

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Standard User davidc01
(newbie) Fri 26-Jun-20 13:50:23
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Yes, the better tech in my mobile was why I was surprised I got such better bandwidth with the router than my phone.
I guess antennas near me don't support it or I'm just in a weird dead spot.

I'd be interested to understand how the automatic band choice optimisation works with multiple towers and bands available. Is there a source on this kind of info that an average geek could understand (rather than a mobile network expert)?
I suspect understanding it wouldn't help me much in my quest for better bandwidth, however smile
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 26-Jun-20 14:32:29
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Is there a source on this kind of info that an average geek could understand (rather than a mobile network expert)?
I've seen a 700page book at around £80 on Amazon, which I can't find the link for now. Something along the lines of "understanding LTE".

Generally I would see if you can talk to the guy that owns this site, https://pedroc.co.uk/ - seems to know a lot!

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Standard User buggerlugs
(member) Fri 26-Jun-20 16:07:23
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In reply to a post by davidc01:
My neighbours must think I'm crazy... the lengths I go for better ping times!

Ha, don't forget masts on some networks are being updated to MIMO, so you have multiple transmit antenna and multiple receive antenna. Written an 4T4R for example. The newer handsets have this, e.g. your S10 will certainly support. The "cheaper" design home routers will not have provision for this.

The MIMO technology increases capacity especially at the distance ("cell edge") by helping against the multipath effect of high frequencies.


As a matter of interest, is upgrading mast tech to MIMO just a hardware upgrade or is available bandwidth at a mast increased during these MIMO upgrades as a matter of course?

Just wondering because surely with better connectivity of MIMO wouldn't that automatically increase the availability of bandwidth to users on that mast?
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Just wondering because surely with better connectivity of MIMO wouldn't that automatically increase the availability of bandwidth to users on that mast?

My understanding is getting the bandwidth "into the air" is more of a challenge than providing it. Most well specified masts will have multiple gigabit connections, some will have 10 gigabit. The 5G rollout will need 10 gigabit connections.

Some masts will have only one gigabit connection and be serving a neighbourhood of 20,000 people. Of course we have no idea how many customers for that network will be in that neighbourhood. They could all be on the competition!

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So a mast can effectively have 5 different carriers on it with separate radio gear and they all share the same pipes of "available bandwidth" so to speak??
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That is my understanding, look at some of the pictures on that site. You’re talking about installations of hardware that run into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

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So could that be why my IP address can be anywhere in the UK then? Because its where each specific pipe on the mast terminates?

So with 3g,4g and 5g you are effectively just paying for the router and mast hardware, the actual connection to the internet from the mast onwards can be provided by anyone?

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In reply to a post by buggerlugs:
So could that be why my IP address can be anywhere in the UK then? Because its where each specific pipe on the mast terminates?

So with 3g,4g and 5g you are effectively just paying for the router and mast hardware, the actual connection to the internet from the mast onwards can be provided by anyone?

Nope, the connectivity from the mast isn't direct to the internet, but to the network core. This isn't just an ISP, telephone calls have to be handled as well.

Also people expect to be able to move around whilst using their devices to make calls or watch video etc, and there is a lot of technology involved in this.

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Edited by jchamier (Sat 27-Jun-20 11:17:46)

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I am looking to use the MR600 with a sky box for on demand stuff . Do you know if the mr600 and or B535 work with this ? And also if it’s possible to change the MTU on them (mobile broadband side not Wi-fi)?

Many thanks!
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