General Discussion
  >> Mobile Broadband (3G, 4G, 5G etc)


Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.


Pages in this thread: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | [11] | 12 | (show all)   Print Thread
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 24-Sep-20 20:16:11
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: Appy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Appy:
Hmm seems a little far fetched to me, but I'll explore the possibility. I have DoH set up on my network but not using it at the moment. I'll reconfigure to see if that solves the issue. Personally, I think they are trying to inspect everything on port 443 and port 80 which is why we have issues.
Are you on smarty or three?

21 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM
Standard User richi
(member) Thu 24-Sep-20 20:23:16
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: Appy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Appy:
Hmm seems a little far fetched to me, but I'll explore the possibility. I have DoH set up on my network but not using it at the moment. I'll reconfigure to see if that solves the issue. Personally, I think they are trying to inspect everything on port 443 and port 80 which is why we have issues.
Again: I am NOT suggesting that DoH/DNScrypt will fix the TLS timeout problem. I was replying to the question about not using the filter.

Indeed, I know it won't, because I've been using DNScrypt for months.

70/30 Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Standard User Appy
(learned) Thu 24-Sep-20 20:46:26
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: jchamier] [link to this post]
 
Three 5G with a H112-370 router. This is a new 5G area outside of London, so this is with Three and not Three Broadband. I know, right? Amazing but apparently Three Broadband is London only & different to Three Broadband outside London. I don't get it either.

Edited by Appy (Thu 24-Sep-20 20:48:26)


Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 24-Sep-20 21:05:35
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: Appy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Appy:
Three 5G with a H112-370 router. This is a new 5G area outside of London, so this is with Three and not Three Broadband. I know, right? Amazing but apparently Three Broadband is London only & different to Three Broadband outside London. I don't get it either.
I think Three Broadband (formerly Relish) is now being folded into the main network, which is probably a good thing.

Three advertise they are building "Real 5G" but they seem to have problems implementing it.

21 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM
Standard User Appy
(learned) Thu 24-Sep-20 21:17:45
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: jchamier] [link to this post]
 
Exactly. The decision I need to make over the next 2 weeks is whether to keep Sky Broadband which has been reliable and "just works" even though it's a little slow (60meg) or do I keep Three 5G which is fast (600meg) but has issues with such basic things like loading web pages. This feels like the early days of cable broadband with Blueyonder when I was in the first region that went live. Remember them? That must have been almost 20yrs ago now.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 24-Sep-20 21:19:48
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: Appy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Appy:
This feels like the early days of cable broadband with Blueyonder when I was in the first region that went live. Remember them? That must have been almost 20yrs ago now.
I do (see .sig) as I was with NTL's cable trial, which went live the year before. 512kbps for £40/month, but they managed 480kbps mostly. Then trial stopped, and they launched full product in summer 2000.

NTL used transparent proxies, Inktomi Traffic Caches, which they hoped would reduce their peering / transit costs. They usually failed and caused no end of complaint, it was why I left cable, and was on FTTC for a long time (as well as moving home). Went back (to VM) last Nov as I needed faster upload.

21 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM
Standard User Appy
(learned) Fri 25-Sep-20 09:25:45
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Those 443 times look like powers of 2 or if your 127 is consistent (2n - 1) throughout.


After running it overnight, I see an interesting spread of delay times.

1, 3, 7, 15, 31, 63, 127

e.g. (2nd column is the delay time)

1601021619.23777,1.19222784042358,
1601021638.14017,3.16593384742737,
1601021626.77635,7.1832971572876,
1600949488.43863,15.1755349636078,
1601021882.33607,31.2504329681396,
1601021485.15224,63.2639911174774,
1601021725.92307,127.290504932404,

How remarkable! I wonder why we see this?

Edited by Appy (Fri 25-Sep-20 09:26:14)

Standard User richi
(member) Fri 25-Sep-20 14:06:45
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: Appy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Appy:
After running it overnight, I see an interesting spread of delay times.
1, 3, 7, 15, 31, 63, 127

How remarkable! I wonder why we see this?
Looks like exponential backoff, which might imply it's a side-effect of packet shaping or some other sort of congestion mitigation. Albeit stupidly implemented.

70/30 Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.

Edited by richi (Fri 25-Sep-20 14:11:38)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 25-Sep-20 14:07:36
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: Appy] [link to this post]
 
Given that most computers work in binary, in "words" of 4; 8; 16; 32 or 64 bits, those numbers all being powers of two, the maximum (unsigned) number in each is what is represented by all the bits being set. The value of 4 bits set is 15. And so on. 127 is the maximum value of 8 bits set.

Data transmission is generally these days, for our purposes, in 8-bit words, commonly called bytes, which is what we all refer to. (In other hardware types there can be many other word and byte sizes).

This is why I latched onto that pattern in your graph, including some of the shorter verticals, which is what you have confirmed. Some process appears to be being triggered as each successive bit of a counter is set, and for some reason that process falls over and sometimes breaks the transmission.

What and why, and whether it is intentional or a programming bug, is what we don't know.

__________________________________________________________
Sovereignty Means Sovereignty

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, sites and mail hosting - Tsohost & Ionos.
Connections: OnePlus 8 Pro max 165Mbps down, 24Mbps up on Three, and B311 4G, tbb tests normally 35-45Mpbs down, 65Mbps off-peak, 9-24 up.
========================
To argue with mindless bigots is foolish.
Standard User richi
(member) Fri 25-Sep-20 14:12:18
Print Post

Re: Three is finally working properly OMFG.


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
I wonder if someone coded a second for the initial delay, when they meant a millisecond?

70/30 Three unlimited SIMO, replacing 3 km ADSL line.
Previously: BT ISDN, Nildram, Plusnet, 186k, EFH, Be*, Plusnet (again), Pulse8, Sky, Plusnet Business, TalkTalk Retail.
Pages in this thread: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | [11] | 12 | (show all)   Print Thread

Jump to