Does BT do LLU

I live in North East Scotland, my local exchange has been Unbundled by TalkTalk and Sky. Although you can get much quicker speeds with LLU, does BT do LLU at their Exchanges as well ??

Local Loop Unbundling (LLU) is the process where communications providers other than BT put their own equipment in your local exchange and then take control of individual lines within the BT network. Yes all LLU providers will offer up to 24 meg broadband BUT if your exchange is 21CN WBC enabled then BT will also offer speeds of up to 20 meg...same ADSL2+ technology as LLU providers. Check for "21CN WBC status" for your exchange on Sam knows
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search

By definition, no! However BT do do ADSL2+ where their exchanges are 21CN enabled.

By definition, Yes!

All retail telephone services are now unbundled from the main BT network.

Does that help you? No.

In reply to a post by Sandgrounder:

By definition, Yes!

All retail telephone services are now unbundled from the main BT network.

Not really. BT Retail do BT Vision by virtue of the bandwidth stolen from the other providers by BT Wholesale.

BT wholesale dsl based services are just another SMPF LLU as far as Openreach is concerned.

In answer to poster, though the WBC ADSL2+products is the answer.

Some people obviously have an interesting take on how BT Vision works.

In 1 quote it states BT does do LLU but in another Quote it states BT does not do LLU, therefore I now understand that BT only does LLU ADSL2+, if that is the case we do not have it at our Exchange, we only have up to 8mbps (Max).

It seems very strange that BT does not do it themselves but does allow other Providers to supply their own equipment to get much faster speeds, I would have thought that BT would have done it until they upgraded their exchanges to ADSL2+

In reply to a post by kinnaird16:

In 1 quote it states BT does do LLU but in another Quote it states BT does not do LLU, therefore I now understand that BT only does LLU ADSL2+, if that is the case we do not have it at our Exchange, we only have up to 8mbps (Max).

It seems very strange that BT does not do it themselves but does allow other Providers to supply their own equipment to get much faster speeds, I would have thought that BT would have done it until they upgraded their exchanges to ADSL2+

I'm not sure but it seems you may be getting confused between LLU and ADSL2+. ADSL2+ are not one in the same.


LLU (i.e. non-BT companies who've chosen to install their own equipment into the BT telephone exchanges and have paid BT to patch phone lines through to that equipment, rather than having the lines connected to BT's ADSL equipment) and LLU providers (e.g. BE, Talk-Talk, Sky, etc.) often chose to use ADSL2+ but also use plain old ADSL1.
BT (via the BT Wholesale ADSL equipment in the exchanges) also offer both ADSL2+ (on certain exchanges) and ADSL1 on all exchanges (exception the odd few).

BT's ADSL2+ is not an LLU product. It's their own product.
In order for BT to offer their own LLU product, that would need to be a BT retail product and installed in the BT exchanges (which are owned and operated by a different division of BT) in the same way as Sky, BE, Talk-Talk etc. install their own equipment.

If you count BT as a single entity (even though it's been "split" into several divisions / sub-companies) they cannot offer an LLU product because the 'u' stands for unbundled (which would require BT to unbundle their services from the BT equipment in the exchanges, and then bundle it straight back whence it came).

If you're after ADSL2+ there are two ways of getting this: -
1. Via BT's WBC/21CN product (which isn't available at your exchange).
2. Via an LLU provider (i.e. a non-BT company).

Apologies if I've read your posts incorrectly and you're not confused about LLU and ADSL2+.
You may have just been asking if BT install their own equipment in exchanges and transfer lines from their own equipment to their own equipment (which would be kind of pointless really).

LLU is not the same as ADSL2+. The former, Local-Loop Unbundling, is a wiring method of allowing other ISPs to share access to BT's exchange connections. The latter is a Broadband protocol.

BT provide ADSL2+ at the exchanges I told you earlier or ADSL Max elsewhere. Both of these are not LLU, simply because BT does not need to install its own kit in its own exchanges.

Some ISPs do install their own kit in some BT exchanges. This is LLU and they usually provide ADSL2+ this way.

Where they don't do this, they may resell BT's service. This is not LLU and they usually provide ADSL Max this way.

Many thanks for all the answers to my query.