Wired Connections

Hello everyone I am new to the site and would like to ask advice on my query. I have bought a BT ADSL V10 socket and an extension socket with the RJ11 socket plug and phone socket plug. My wiring cable I bought has only 4 wires Blue � Blue and White � Orange � Orange and White. I hope I have explained this right and wondered if anyone out there could tell me where the wires are supposed to go. The V10 socket has A and B terminals also with numbered terminals and the extension socket has only numbered terminals. Maybe there is an article on this but don�t seem to be able to find any. Thanks in advance.

The extension socket, I presume you mean something like http://www.solwise.co.uk/adsl_splitters-extensions.htm

In which case do the following

Blue to A on the ADSL v1.0
Blue/White to B on the ADSL v1.0

Blue to 2 on the extension
Blue/White to 5 on the extension

This means the ADSL should work at both the master socket (where the v1.0 is) and the extension socket which is also doing its own filtering, and similarly with the telephone.

The Orange and Orange/White wires are not needed.

Thanks Andrew the extension plate I have looks like the ADSL-FFP85D - Solwise ADSL Filtered BT/RJ11 Faceplate. Is the connections the same with that one. Thanks again.

yes should be

There are two separate box connecters on the back of the extension when I tried to do it. 1 to 6 for the telephone and 1 to 6 for the broadband. Which one do I connect to please. Sorry if I am sounding like a novice but it sure has me confused. At the moment on the V10 I have Blue wire to pin 2 - Blue and White to pin 5 - Orange wire to pin A - Orange and White to pin B. On the extension have Blue wire to pin 2 - Blue and White wire to pin 5 on Telephone socket. On the broadband RJ11 socket have the Orange wire to pin 3 - Orange and White wire to pin 4. This gets my telephone working and my broadband but at a low speed. By the way had Openreach out at weekend and they put connections right on pole saying that they were corroded and that now internet working great. thanks again for listening to me.

Usually blue/white and white/blue wires from A&B on the back of the BT ADSL V10 NTE5 filtered faceplate to terminals 2 and 5 on the ADSL-FFP85D - Solwise ADSL Filtered BT/RJ11 Faceplate (do not use F2 and F5 for adsl, they are for a filtered voice extension only)

For that setup only two wires are needed, i.e. blue/white and white/blue, since the raw signal will be unfiltered from the BT ADSL V10 terminals A&B to the terminals 2 and 5 on the back of the Solwise ADSL Filtered BT/RJ11 Faceplate. This will provide a rj11 adsl connection for a router and a filtered connection for a phone plug on your extension.

Edited by 4M2 (Wed 21-Aug-13 17:35:50)

Thanks for your answer but please bear with me. After I connected both blue wires to A and B on the BT ADSL V10 NTE5 and then go to the extension faceplate which terminal do I use 2 and 5 on the Phone terminal or 2 and 5 on the rj11 terminal.

I doubt many of us have one of those to hand, so you might get an answer if you take a picture and put it online somewhere.

Did this socket come with no instructions at all? Where was it bought from, there may be some clues on there.

Would normally expect it to look like http://www.solwise.co.uk/images/imagesbroadband/filt... (if a solwise part) and you would connect to 2 and 5. The F ones are the post filter ones.

Edited by MrSaffron (Wed 21-Aug-13 20:45:26)

http://www.solwise.co.uk/downloads/files/ffpsplitter... - shows connections to terminals 2 and 5 (which results in an unfiltered signal to the rj11 adsl socket on the front of that faceplate) on the FFP85D rear view. The filtered phone terminals are F2 and F5 (and F3 if a bell wire was required) that one would only use for a phone extension, not adsl, from the back of that faceplate.

http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_faceplate.htm. This is where I got them from, the NTE5 and the BT ADSL Adapter. Instructions came with it but lost them.

No pictures on their site of the back of these. If it is a lj4f then they say pins 2 and 5

http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16...

In reply to a post by george70:

http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_faceplate.htm. This is where I got them from, the NTE5 and the BT ADSL Adapter. Instructions came with it but lost them.

Something like this http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16... + a filtered BT ADSL V10 faceplate for the NTE5?

Yes that's it. Read some of the instructions but spins my head around. Haven't got a clue. Thanks again to both of you for your help.

It's important for us to know which of the line boxes you got with the kit - please see the drop down list on that page. If it has a filtered faceplate similar to the Solwise ADSL-FFP85D then it's probably a Clarity Pro LJ4F Telephone and ADSL Extension Faceplate with integrated microfilter which MrSaffron linked to before

After a good nights sleep did some more research this morning and found this on the internet. If this is the right way to connect, hopefully it could help other people with the same problem. I would again like to thank you and 4M2 for your help and thank my lucky stars there are people like you out there. This is the only site I can find which shows the back of the extension and hope I am not breaking any rules by sending it, if so I apologise.
http://www.kebabshopblues.co.uk/2010/02/07/achieving...

Ok so it http://www.kebabshopblues.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2... is the exact picture of what you have then you need to do the following

Blue to A on v1.0 and Blue to 3 on the RJ11 side
Blue/White to B on v1.0 and Blue/White to 4 on the RJ11 side

Orange to 2 on v1.0 and Orange to 2 on the phone side
Orange/White to 5 on v1.0 and Orange/White to 5 on the phone side

This modular socket has no filtering components in it, so with the wiring setup I have described you are taking the ADSL and the filtered phone using two pairs to the appropriate pins in the modules.

Thanks very much, now that is a lot easier for me to understand. One more question before I try it. I bought these to stop using filters, so I wont need filters any more, is that correct.

You only need to connect 2 Blue/White wire and 5 White/Blue wire, the old bell wire 3 Orange/White is not required.

http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/wiring_info.htm

http://www.wppltd.demon.co.uk/WPP/Wiring/UK_telephon...

http://www.rob-r.co.uk/other/UKphonecatwiring.htm

With that wiring combination, correct, you have a centrally located filter

With all respect I suggest you take a look later in the thread, they are using a modular socket at the extension, so this normal advice does not apply due to the need to get the filtered and unfiltered signal to the modular extension socket.

Understand everything now, it has certainly took a big hammer to sink it in. Thanks again for everyone concerned and your expertise.

In reply to a post by george70:

Understand everything now, it has certainly took a big hammer to sink it in. Thanks again for everyone concerned and your expertise.

Glad you are now on the right track

Sorry about giving you the wrong advice earlier, i.e. blue/white and white/blue wires to terminals 2 and 5, but initially I thought we were dealing with a ADSL-FFP85D - Solwise ADSL Filtered BT/RJ11 Faceplate.

BTW. do you actually need to connect a phone to that extension, in other words are you thinking of using it as a dedicated adsl socket only?

Can I add one suggestion.

Blue & Blue/White and Orange & Orange/White are normally used for basic telephony and voice.

If your cable is 3 pair/6 wire, consider using the Green & Green/White for the Data - side. It might just save some confusion later on.

Yes I use the phone extension also, its a lot nearer to an electric socket. I have everything connected as advised and it seems to be working fine. Thanks to this site it has saved me a broken window because that's where it would have finished

My cable is 2 pair Blue & Blue/White - Orange & Orange/White. Trouble is I am coloured blind so that Orange could be Green. Thanks anyway.

Hopefully broadband performance will be as good from the extension as it would be from the NTE5 test socket now

I use the ADSLnation telephone/ADSL filtered extention socket http://www.adslnation.com/products/xtf.php

Wiring instructions http://www.adslnation.com/support/extensions.php

Slowise wiring instructions http://www.solwise.co.uk/downloads/files/ffpsplitter...

I find the instructions for telephone extension wiring from the three websites I posted explain well how to carry out home telephone extension wiring installations.

Wiring from BT supplied NTE5 master socket
Line signal B 48v DC - (J2) Blue with White Bands
(J3) Orange / with White Bands - Not used do not connect wire
(J4) White / with Orange Bands - Not used do not connect wire
Line signal A 0v DC - (J5) White / with Blue Bands

Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Aug-13 08:28:21)

The instruction was fine just not the right ones for the socket they had

Hi again, Just wondering about what you said with the phone, will it make a difference if I move that phone from the socket. Done everything right with wiring the extension but now people complaining to my wife they cannot hear her too well. The engineer was out last Saturday saying the connections on the pole were corrupted so got them cleaned he then did another test to say working perfect but would take 10-14 days training period. Am I being impatient or should it be ok by now. BTW my internet is still dropping on my LG television and my You View box with a HH3. Wireless working fine on my computer upstairs.Thanks again.

If the phone and the broadband are OK both in the NTE5 test socket (via a dangle filter) and on your new extension socket using a corded phone and an ethernet cable to a computer, at both locations, then your house wiring should be fine

Regarding the filtered voice connection to the extension socket: I was just wondering whether you actually needed a phone there, but it appears that you do since the dual socket is now more conveniently located near an electric socket.

See how it goes with the "training period" and if there are still problems after 10 days or so perhaps you can post your router stats and also do a quiet line test with a corded phone from the test socket.

Edited by 4M2 (Sat 24-Aug-13 12:46:19)

Ok thanks.

I added an edit to my previous post regarding the "training period" etc.

Will try that thanks. Have to ask advice on how to do that also but will give it time. Would like also to add it is a great forum, got loads of information.

Yes, I agree this is a great forum

Regarding the internet still dropping on the LG television and the You View box with a HH3 hopefully somebody else may have some views about that...

Yes hopefully. Will see what happens then maybe put it in another thread.