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Standard User sheephouse
(member) Tue 03-Mar-20 17:15:33
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Re: Port Forwarding Not Working


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I'd agree it isn't a priority for most people. Neither is latency, or IPv6, or other features that are important to me.
However I'm still struggling to know what "the cost of renting the IP" is, or what recurring costs require a significant monthly charge.
I guess it doesn't really matter as I'll never be a Hyperoptic customer.
Standard User uno
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Mar-20 17:36:43
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In reply to a post by sheephouse:
When you say
we have to cover the cost of renting the IP
, what cost is that and who charges the rent? I thought IP blocks were bought for a one-off payment, and that's why there is a market for trading them.


As they are RIPE members, they pay a fee every year for the resources they have (search for uk.bcube). It used to be a variable fee based on the resources but when RIPE had no more v4 to give freely, it changed to a fixed fee soon after of �1400/year. They have around 59392 allocated addresses.

It is possible to get more v4 addresses from the RIPE transfer service from another members wanting to sell their surplus resources. Rates are agreed between members but the average cost seems to be between £6-12 per IP, as a one-off cost; the bigger the block you buy, the cheaper each IP is. Currently there is one /14, 2 /18s, 4 /19s and 400+ blocks from /20-/24 offered.

Like you say, most don't charge for a single static but at the cost of £5 a month, many would argue that is excessive when the underlying IP cost based on the fees RIPE bill for the allocated addresses is around 2.1p/2.3�. Maybe the admin of addresses costs £4.98 a month...

Matt

Edit: added yearly clarification

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Edited by uno (Tue 03-Mar-20 18:25:37)

Standard User sheephouse
(member) Tue 03-Mar-20 18:24:18
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Thanks Matt, that's interesting information.


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Standard User clyde123
(member) Wed 04-Mar-20 09:19:51
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Re: Port Forwarding Not Working


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Agreed with what Matt says here.
Historically IP4 addresses were plentiful and cheap, but supply & demand killed that a long time ago. There are still huge organisations, mainly USA based, which have big allocations, and many of them being wasteful.
There is a market for these, and prices keep rising. Demand is high, and the supply of new public IP4 addresses is low, really just comparatively small blocks coming out of the woodwork here & there.
There has been a big scandal with Afrinic where staff there have been accused of siphoning off and selling large numbers of the IP4 addresses that were originally allocated to Africa.
£5 a month is quite steep, but it's not everyone who will need or want this.
Don't forget that's what BT will charge for this, to businesses.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 04-Mar-20 11:06:22
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In reply to a post by ian72:
When something like 80% of users are on the big 4 and none of them offer it then it shows that it isn't a priority for most people.
Yes, but if you have a public IP then you can use dynamic dns which makes it possible to establish a remote connection.

Michael Chare
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(isp) Wed 04-Mar-20 15:54:21
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Hey there,

Thank you for your query. We pay to obtain the IP addresses which we provide to our customers. Also, we pay for the maintenance of these addresses. Other providers which provide static IP addresses tend to include them in the package price which usually means the price per month is more expensive. As an average user does not need to surpass CGNat on a daily basis, we have decided to reduce the price by removing the static IP from our default package. This is now an additional feature which you can purchase for your account if you require it for work, gaming, etc. We're also rolling out IPv6 as an alternative.

We hope this helps.

Customer Support
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Standard User jabuzzard
(committed) Wed 04-Mar-20 16:34:12
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And frankly all ISP's should offer dynamic DNS on their IPv4 connections for not additional charge.

I know at one time PlusNet used to, but I have a feeling they don't anymore. Hard to tell as everyone in the family have all paid the £5 for a static IP. If they still do it's of the form <username>.plus.com
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