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Standard User tallseabird
(committed) Sat 09-Jul-22 18:02:26
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Wired or Wireless?


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Just want to check I'm not missing something.

For years we have been told about speeds (and other numbers) that in reality never materialise both because 1024 doesn't equal 1000 and no-one as far as I know lives inside a telephone exchange.

I am of the belief that the best home network is a wired network, commonly, devices are rated at 1Gb/s, so when I have recently been looking at upgrading my home network I have found some confusing information, I have just has a look at a Netgear Mesh router that is ridiculously expensive but it makes an interesting claim

NETGEAR Orbi Quad-band WiFi 6E Mesh System (RBKE963B) - Router with 2 Satellites | Coverage up to 7,500 sq. ft, 200 Devices | AXE11000 (Up to 10.8Gbps)

Up to 10.8Gbps!

Now even allowing for a bit of over-inflation have I now got things all wrong, has mesh networking overtaken Cat 6 cable?
Standard User andynormancx
(committed) Sat 09-Jul-22 18:22:26
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They mean a theoretical 10.8Gbps spread across the 2.4GHz, 5GHz and 6GHz ranges.

And that is only the theoretical thoughput between one set of clients and one access point.

As soon as you involve meshing with multiple access points then the actual theoretical throughput is much, much lower. 2.4GHz is typically the only sensible frequency range to connect one AP to another, at which point you are down an a theoretical max throughput from one AP to another of ~1Gbps.

(though looking at the product specs, those ones do claim to use 5GHz for the mesh link)

So these devices do provide an awful lot of wireless throughput, but wiring them together is still by far the best plan, preferably using the 2.5 gig network ports.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 09-Jul-22 19:02:05
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In reply to a post by andynormancx:
2.4GHz is typically the only sensible frequency range to connect one AP to another,
I disagree, you should position the mesh modes so that they can talk between each other at 5 GHz to avoid neighbour interference, and get best performance. The more expensive models use separate 5GHz radio for this backhaul to the 2.4 and 5 GHz radios used for devices.

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Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Sat 09-Jul-22 19:44:30
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Up to 10.8Gbps!

Hehehe. Yeah good luck with that on WiFi. You'd be doing well to confidently and consistently break a Gig
Standard User tallseabird
(committed) Sat 09-Jul-22 20:32:35
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I'm sensing a difference in opinion here - but - it is based on a dedicated 5Ghz wireless backhaul that can be badly affected by any distance or obstruction.

I guess the mesh nodes hard connected via 2.5Gb/s ports is going to be the best option.

I'm not considering the Netgear, I can't see me spending £500 let alone £1500 on networking - but I think Eero have mesh nodes with 1 or 2 2.5G ports for not ridiculous money.


There is a lot of mis-information around networking and also there is confusion between internet speed and network speed.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 09-Jul-22 20:34:57
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In reply to a post by tallseabird:
I'm sensing a difference in opinion here - but - it is based on a dedicated 5Ghz wireless backhaul that can be badly affected by any distance or obstruction.

I guess the mesh nodes hard connected via 2.5Gb/s ports is going to be the best option.
Yes, if you have Ethernet cabling in each room, a wired backhaul connection will always win, but many people can’t install that in the homes, or can’t get partner approval, so radio has a lot of advantages.

There is a lot of mis-information around networking and also there is confusion between internet speed and network speed.
Correct. As long as network speed is faster than internet speed most people don’t care unless they are copying large files to and from a Network Attached Storage box (or server) as they are doing video editing etc.

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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Sun 10-Jul-22 09:02:30
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I don't think it matters what their claims are with wireless, you are still better off with wired. Wired don't get any interference and is constant, also you don't have to pay out stupid prices for equipment.

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Standard User gomezz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 10-Jul-22 10:33:29
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I currently only run wired to my TV set up and didn't pay a stupid price for a simple network switch to connect each bit of kit. Actually I do have a wire run to upstairs with nothing connected to it and the old desktop which hasn't been turned on in years sat next to the router is connected by wire,

Otherwise wireless is just too damn convenient for phone, tablet and laptop to do otherwise. Apart from my old microwave having a habit of killing the wi-fi signal - the new one doesn't do that.

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Standard User billford
(elder) Sun 10-Jul-22 10:42:05
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I've got pretty much the opposite opinion- I regard wireless as a device of Beelzebub tongue

I'll use it if

a) the device I'm using doesn't have an RJ45 socket (phone, tablet etc) and/or

b) the device is inherently a "move-about" one, eg laptop.

But each to their own smile

Bill
Standard User lexden16
(committed) Sun 10-Jul-22 11:19:17
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I have a 300/50 (actual speeds) FTTP service with two Fritz repeaters meshed to a Fritz!box 4060.

If my device decides to connect to the router/device in the room that I am in, then I will get 300/50 via wifi. Sadly, my experience of mesh is that devices don’t switch quickly: device to router/repeater distance then becomes an issue and I get a drop in download speed to c.200. That said, the speed drop is not enough to make me want to pull Cat 6 cables throughout the house.
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