I hate cables

Just spent a couple of hours in boiling weather, sorting out my Ethernet cables, ready for tomorrow. It would have been better to put everything on wi-fi, well almost everything as my smart thermostat can't be.
I would like to make a better job of it and if this was my own house I would have got someone in to put them in the wall and have patch cables, Not finished yet as I don't want a load of cables where they will be working, so will want to move the TV tomorrow.
But I now have the two cables going to where the ONT will be, one is Wan as i will use my own router, so need a cable from the ONT to it and the other is for the TV, Blueray player and VoIP.

So whose idea was this?

i wonder if a decent powerline system would be a better idea? i got some, but they are not that good, which is why I went to a Ethernet connection

Very much my opinion only:

Wifi can be very convenient, but (once you've got the rat's nest sorted out!) cable is faster and more reliable. I work on the principle that something only gets wifi if there's no option (eg tablet) or constantly moving about (eg laptop), otherwise it's cable. I've said it before- I regard wifi as a device of Beelzebub

Powerline adapters have a bit of a bad name, but I find them useful on occasion- it depends what's on the other end. For something like a printer which doesn't really need a fast connection they're fine; for a NAS you might want to think again

I agree with you Bill, that is why I put as much as I could on Ethernet in the first place. My idea for the cable from the computer room to the living room was to use the existing TV cable trunking, that is if I can get an Ethernet plug down there, I don't think I can, the problem is, when I/if move from here, I would have to put the TV cable back in, not that it have been used as it is not even connected to anything in the loft. The Housing association stuck it in when they rewired the house a few years ago and left it.
I tried my old powerline adaptors a moment ago, the one seem ok, but the other starts up and then all the lights go blank. after a few minutes, so certainly something worng with that.

I am over heqating with all this mucking around and I have to have a shower soon to go to work, will be horrendous there.

Trunking is awful, I would like to find something that will cover the cables and kind of make them blend into the wall. i know it is possible to get skirting board to do that, but again, not my house. i have to replace one by the TV as it is.

Powerline is fine for your needs.

Would this sort of subject (the modern day equivalent of a "what I did on my holidays" primary school essay) be better on a social media channel rather than a forum with a technically biased audience?

If there is a genuine question underneath it all then it would probably be better (and would enable more people to get to the meat of the posting) if the incidental waffle was not there.

Edited by GonePostal (Tue 13-Jun-23 13:47:58)

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Powerline is fine for your needs.

The problem I used to have with powerline networking was mostly that (as far as I can find out) there's nothing governing the amount of crud that a piece of electrical equipment is allowed to dump back into the mains. Unlike electromagnetic interference for example. And some can dump a lot.

Back in the days of CFLs I had one bulb that would reduce powerline signalling to a crawl throughout the house... other nominally identical ones were OK . Most brush-type electric motors caused varying degrees of problem, but none as bad as that CFL. (I found that using it in a table lamp through a filtered extension lead made it acceptable and saved me throwing away a lamp that otherwise worked perfectly well!)

But I haven't used powerline for at least 7 or 8 years, so their noise rejection capabilities may have improved.

PowerLine is ok if it works but no guarantee that it will (or at least at reasonable performance).

My own house has the stuff next to the router (TV and the like) wired but I have a WiFi 6 mesh for everything else. The mesh gives speeds generally around the 300Mb/s mark to most of the house so is good enough. Ideally it would all be cabled but that sort of upheaval is not going to get past the wife and not something I would take on myself so would cost a fair bit.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Would this sort of subject (the modern day equivalent of a "what I did on my holidays" primary school essay) be better on a social media channel rather than a forum with a technically biased audience?

If there is a genuine question underneath it all then it would probably be better (and would enable more people to get to the meat of the posting) if the incidental waffle was not there.

It all reads like "The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, Aged 13¾"

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

ready for tomorrow.

Hope everything goes well tomorrow, all the best

“I have decided to keep a full journal, in the hope that my life will perhaps seem more interesting when it is written down.”

Sue Townsend, writer, Adrian Mole: The Wilderness Years (1993)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i wonder if a decent powerline system would be a better idea? i got some, but they are not that good, which is why I went to a Ethernet connection

In my experience powerline stuff is ok at best. It our previous house it was pretty terrible, rarely managing more than 12mb/s even with devices advertising 1000mb/s.

It was a bit better in our current house, managed to get 40mb/s between my office and the part of the house where my router was. Which was ok when my Internet connection was under 30 anyway.

But that had to change when I moved to Starlink and I ran Ethernet round the outside of the house.

Even when then powerline units weren't the most reliable. I had a series of the Devolo ones and then some TP-Link ones. Many of them only lasted 2-3 years (they can get very hot) and some of them needed a power cycle every few months as they just stopped passing traffic.

That said, I do still have two of the in place connecting a camera in a shed and those have been rock solid if slow (think they are managing 20mb/s). I'd forgotten they were still in use.

And good wifi is better than any powerline I've used. But then I am a wifi unicorn, nearest neighbour is 50 metres away and the next nearest is 90.

We have over 300mb/s anywhere in the house with three Unifi APs.

You didn't have to read it. Puerile responses like yours don't bring anything of use to the forum.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

“I have decided to keep a full journal, in the hope that my life will perhaps seem more interesting when it is written down.”

Sue Townsend, writer, Adrian Mole: The Wilderness Years (1993)

And is this working for you?

If you hang around here long enough you'll soon find that the moral high ground is a very tenuous position.

You make assumptions and that is your downfall.

I have "been around" a long long time, and all I see are the same few people that post from the bottom of the pond at every opportunity.

It doesn't occur to you that maybe Adrian/Zyborg has a "need" to have people to discuss things with?

If you don't like his posts why do you read them? He has just as much right to post here as anyone else.

In reply to a post by AndreiV:

You didn't have to read it. Puerile responses like yours don't bring anything of use to the forum.

So what part of my post below do you take exception too AndreiV ?

In reply to a post by dect:

Hope everything goes well tomorrow, all the best

I suspect there is more to you than this reply, I'm sure in time we will find out.

I haven't addressed you at all ..............

You seem to have a lot to say for yourself today, considering you have a total of 7 posts with this username and you have just attacked 2 people today with 3 of those posts.

Call me inspector but I smell something very suspicious.

In reply to a post by AndreiV:

I haven't addressed you at all ..............

Check who you replied to in below post

In reply to a post by AndreiV:

You didn't have to read it. Puerile responses like yours don't bring anything of use to the forum.

Edit: Just click 'post' in the lower quote.

Edited by deleted (Tue 13-Jun-23 20:47:13)

In reply to a post by AndreiV:

You make assumptions and that is your downfall.

I have "been around" a long long time, and all I see are the same few people that post from the bottom of the pond at every opportunity.

It doesn't occur to you that maybe Adrian/Zyborg has a "need" to have people to discuss things with?

If you don't like his posts why do you read them? He has just as much right to post here as anyone else.

If you hang around here long enough you'll soon find that the moral high ground is a very tenuous position.

We live in a small village on the tourist trail and the council do not supply street sweepers. If someone drops litter, it aggravates everyone until one of the local residents picks it up and puts it in the bin. If you have been around as long as you boast you will realise that I have already made the same point directly to Adrian in regard to his posts being akin to litter in the eyes of a number of readers of this forum and he has accepted that it is a valid viewpoint. You will also note that in all of the posts I have made where Adrian and I have had differences of opinion I have never resorted to the insulting language of which you seem to be rather proud. Furthermore and even though Adrian and I have different points of view you will have seen that I have told him that I would gladly buy him a pint if I am ever in Hereford. I'm afraid I couldn't feel obliged to make the same offer to some other posters on the Forum.

Edited by GonePostal (Wed 14-Jun-23 01:26:42)

In reply to a post by billford:

The problem I used to have with powerline networking was mostly that (as far as I can find out) there's nothing governing the amount of crud that a piece of electrical equipment is allowed to dump back into the mains. Unlike electromagnetic interference for example. And some can dump a lot.

Back in the days of CFLs I had one bulb that would reduce powerline signalling to a crawl throughout the house... other nominally identical ones were OK . Most brush-type electric motors caused varying degrees of problem, but none as bad as that CFL. (I found that using it in a table lamp through a filtered extension lead made it acceptable and saved me throwing away a lamp that otherwise worked perfectly well!)

But I haven't used powerline for at least 7 or 8 years, so their noise rejection capabilities may have improved.

I had some years ago, they were ok for what they were used for and considering I was still on ADSL then it made no difference, I gave them away when I got the ones I have now they are TP-link TL-PA4010, I never really got on with them, I thought maybe things have improved now. Toi get something at the speed I need, the price is around £70. I think I will stick with the cable.