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I just upgraded to a 2.5gbit connection with Lightning Fibre.
I currently have a mesh system which is the Orbi RBR750.
The Orbi only has 1G Ethernet, but in the advanced set up it allows you to aggregate multi 1G WAN connections. My thought is I can send 2Gbits through 2x 1G ports to the Orbi, and maybe get WiFi speeds over 1Gbit…
But I have to set up the EX5601 to pair two ports together and I have no clue how to do this!? Any suggestions?
I have googled it and played around with the settings but the Orbi doesn’t accept any changes.
*Yes I know that it would be a lot easier to get a mesh system with a 2.5G input and maybe even satellites with 2.5G outputs but those are very, very, very expensive.
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Any help?
https://kb.netgear.com/000061324/How-do-I-set-up-WAN...
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Don't think your Zyxel router will be capable of link aggregation (LAG) on the LAN ports:
https://download.zyxel.com/EX3301-T0/user_guide/EX33...
You'd have to use a single 2.5G LAN port directly. Secondly I don't think your Orbi's will be capable of > Gbps over WiFi in any case.
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Thanks to you both, I'm not sure what I am looking at in the manual, but I can't see any way to set it up on the Zyxel.
The Orbi does allow aggregation, but the ethernet is only 1Gig so I would need the aggregation.
What about direct from the Zyxel? Should I be able to get over 1Gbit on wifi if I am right next to it?
(I am not sure my ethernet adaptor on my mac is capable of 2.5Gbit so need to buy one after Christmas).
To be honest I am not sure that I ever have 2.5Gbit set up as I can't test it right now!
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Both devices at either end need to support link aggregation for it to work. No dice otherwise. I couldn’t see anything to suggest it could be done on the Zyxel unfortunately.
I would hazard you should see hopefully high 600 to 700~ Mbps on WiFi in the same room without obstructions with the WiFi capability of the Orbi. To reliably and solidly get more you really want WiFI 7 on both access point and client device and a 2.5Gbps wired Ethernet port, not meshed etc.
Try out what you have and let us know how you get on.
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The Orbi only has 1G Ethernet, but in the advanced set up it allows you to aggregate multi 1G WAN connections. My thought is I can send 2Gbits through 2x 1G ports to the Orbi, and maybe get WiFi speeds over 1Gbit…
In short no that is not how bonding works. if you bond two 1Gbps links the maximum speed any single connection can work at is still 1Gbps. You could of course now have two clients of the access point each getting 1Gbps. This is leaving aside any questions of how sensible it is to try get multi gigabit connections over WiFi is.
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The Orbi only has 1G Ethernet, but in the advanced set up it allows you to aggregate multi 1G WAN connections. My thought is I can send 2Gbits through 2x 1G ports to the Orbi, and maybe get WiFi speeds over 1Gbit…
In short no that is not how bonding works. if you bond two 1Gbps links the maximum speed any single connection can work at is still 1Gbps. You could of course now have two clients of the access point each getting 1Gbps. This is leaving aside any questions of how sensible it is to try get multi gigabit connections over WiFi is.
Sensible is probably not the word I would use. "Realistic" is more apt given the capability and limitations of WiFi6 at the AP end (and equally the connecting client devices).
Saying that, it is perfectly and easily possible to get well, well north of a Gbps sustained throughput on a normal WiFi connection. Just spec the ends and innards right.
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Thank you again to everyone for suggestions,
What about mesh with the Zyxel WiFi? Really what I am after is a wired connection to my iMac with over 1Gbit speeds.
I have had a look at Zyxel’s mesh solutions and I can’t see any mesh points with more than gigabit output wired.
I assume therefore the only option here is to purchase a wifi7 mesh system with 2.5G ports on the mesh units, but due to the cost that won’t be happening anytime soon!
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Is there any way you can get a wired connection from your Mac back to the router? That will get you the full wired speed available from your WAN connection.
Anything else involving WiFi bridging or meshing “in between” your router+ONT and final device, won’t be as performant (both throughput + latency).
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I thought the iMac only had gigabit Ethernet?
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Good point. Mini, Studio and Mac Pro can all be ordered with 10GBaseT from factory, at not huge cost uplift (for Apple anyway).
The OP could chuck in a third party Thunderbolt/USB-4 to 2.5/5GBASE-T adapter, though not cheap.
Edited by Pheasant (Thu 26-Dec-24 20:28:09)
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This is a good point, but I have an iMac Pro with a10Gbit port.
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Cool. Can you cable it directly to the Zyxel? I'm presuming not, but asking just in case...
If you realistically want the full 2.5 Gbps line rate of your internet connection at your iMac Pro, then you will need a fully wired connection all the way from the Zyxel, using its 2.5 Gbps LAN port. Any intermediate device need to support at least 2.5 Gbps on any ingress and egress ports for this to pass this volume of data to a single client.
Your Orbi setup wont support that currently. Even though it appears to be able to LAG together 2 x 1 Gbps ports - as pointed out that doesn't mean that your will get 2 Gbps net throughput from a single machine.
Bridging or meshing the middle of the connection will certainly not get you a 2.5 Gbps end to end cable connection either. Even if you used WiFi 7 capable kit. It would still not be able to deliver 2.5 Gbps throughput end to end.
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if you want to keep your Orbies (not sure how you say mulitple orbi) get a single orbi 770 and use that as the router.
The other way would be to get a multi port 2.5g router and use the orbies in mesh mode only.
Either case both will include money, there is no free option for you sadly
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my old note 9 can connect at 1gbits to my router but will only ever do 500mbits download on TBB and tbh i can't think of a single application on a phone that would need 500mbits let alone 1gbit/s ... for now (proper ai on a phone may need large datasets which then would need the bandwidth but isn't the topic of conversation).
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Any internet connection is going to rely on the slowest link in the chain. I do wonder how often the slowest link is >gigabit.
As I understand it the main use for gigabit and greater internet links is to allow multiple devices to connect at reasonable speeds rather than supporting a single ultrafast device.
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As I understand it the main use for gigabit and greater internet links is to allow multiple devices to connect at reasonable speeds rather than supporting a single ultrafast device.
I completely agree. using QoS will aid you in that, so that xbox download doesn't murder the network
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What WiFi speed should I expect here? What is to be expected from a 2.5Gbit connection?
I have been struggling to get any speed close to this even wired, so I contacted the ISP support and I made a beginners mistake (but the installer didn’t catch it either)! The cable connecting the router and modem is cat 5… so only supports 1Gbit.
The installer should have swapped the Ethernet cable that came with the new ONT and router but instead connected the old cables…
I have ordered some Cat7 from Amazon and that should sort out hardwired speeds (although as should be noted the router is far from the iMac) and hopefully the WiFi too as I don’t think it is getting the full speed to the router,
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Cat5e spec will do for 2.5 GbE - just make sure the patch leads are of reasonably decent quality and have all 4-pairs present in the connectors at both ends the cable. As crazy as it may sound, some don’t only having 2-pairs, depending on age etc. That will cap you to 100 Mbps.
Check ports are definitely 2.5Gbps.
No need for Cat7 or what some vendors may try and pass off as.
First get your wired connection running at what you expect before moving onto the WiFi side of things.
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I have ordered as I said some cat7 cable BUT I found a cat6 cable and 5e and connected it to the router and the wifi speeds are NOT above 1Gbit.
Surely the wifi should be above that right next to it?
My Macbook Pro is what I used to test the wired speed- but I don't think the adaptor does more than 1Gb so I have also ordered a 2.5G ethernet to USB-C dongle.
This will allow me to test (along with the new cat 7 cables) if the wired speed is correct, in fact I can connect directly to the ONT to remove any issues with the router slowing it down.
One thing which doesn't make sense is support said they tested the speed though to the router remotely and got 2.2gbits. BUT the router was connected with cat5.... so that wouldn't be possible!? Would it?
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As said, for a 2.5Gbps connection you don't *need* Cat7, Cat6A or even Cat6.
Just Cat5e will do fine.
WiFi is an interesting beast! Check what air link rate your MacBook Pro is connecting at by holding down the option key whilst clicking on the WiFI icon. This should give you additional details including the channel and bandwidth, the signal strength (RSSI - closer to zero is stronger), a noise figure, the Tx Rate and the MCS Index.
You can move your MBP around, whilst you have this displayed (it will update in real time), to see where the best signal area is. Typically it wont be directly on top off or too close too, but around a metre or two away from the AP with no obstructions, in a direct line of sight.
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Update on this, I changed the cables to Cat7. I accept that it may not have made any difference but now I have at least compatible cables for any future speed increases.
I then connected the ethernet directly to my MacBook Pro with a 2.5G UGreen ethernet-USBC adaptor and I was getting exactly what I was meant to.
Realizing that the issue is absolutely my router, I purchased the cheapest Wifi 7 mesh system with 2.5G ports which is the TP-Link Deco BE65.
Being the cheapest wifi 7 system the wifi speeds are all over the place but I can get 1300mbits up and down on wifi, but even better hard-wired into my iMac Pro from one of the Satelite units I have seen 1690 downloads and 2200 uploads, which for a wireless backhaul I can't complain. I am very pleased.
I do not doubt if I spend twice as much on a better wifi7 system that I would get even faster speeds but I can't justify the extra cost.
Thanks to everyone for their help!
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I think you’ve done quite well there 👍
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I don't understand why people complain about not getting the high speed they think they need and don't pay for the relevant kit to support those speeds.
Was Eclipse Home Option 1, VM 2Mb & O2 Standard
Utility Warehouse (up to 16mbps) via Talk Talk, upgraded to fibre 40/10
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That’s a bit unfair and unnecessary really. Not everyone is a network nerd. Glad he got sorted. Be kind. Be happy 😊
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"Being the cheapest wifi 7 system the wifi speeds are all over the place but I can get 1300mbits up"
The op complained that they couldn't get the speed they wanted but seems to have compromised and still can't make use of their supposed max attainable speed.
I don't know what you use your setup for but you seem to spend a lot on your kit and I assume get the results you want.
People all over the boards complain about not being allowed to cable their homes because it would not look good or their partners wouldn't allow it. If people want fast internet connections then they have to spend money on decent infrastructure in ordert to utilise it.
Was Eclipse Home Option 1, VM 2Mb & O2 Standard
Utility Warehouse (up to 16mbps) via Talk Talk, upgraded to fibre 40/10
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Not sure why you felt the need for your first reply. It's added precisely nothing of any value to the thread, and was just plain mean. I don't see anything the OP has said or done to be so derisory. He's not complaining, he's asking for advice.
For that matter quite what my own situation, kit, use or cost has anything or any bearing to do with this thread is a mystery to me too.
Try and be nice for a change.
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And a Happy New Year.
Take a picture with your expensive camera and enjoy your fast equipment.
Was Eclipse Home Option 1, VM 2Mb & O2 Standard
Utility Warehouse (up to 16mbps) via Talk Talk, upgraded to fibre 40/10
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My main requirement was fast speeds to my iMac without running a wire across the house. Thanks to the TP-Link I have that.
Would I like more consistent wifi speeds? Yes of course, but the 'cheap' wifi 7 system cost me £669 with a 3-pack and an extra satellite. An Orbi system at the base level would have cost over £1000, and let's not get started on the Eero or the top Orbi - which are just under £2k!
As for my need for this speed, I make YouTube videos and I am always uploading 40-50GB of videos so the speed is genuinely useful for me.
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