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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:42:46
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Re: Government to pay our openreach costs or force openreach


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Yes it is. It is SPAM.


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Standard User dect
(member) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:50:48
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Re: Government to pay our openreach costs or force openreach


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In reply to a post by TheInstaller:
Regarding EO lines, let's not forget that when these were put in, broadband didn't exist. Therefore as these were voice only lines, as most were when they were originally put in, they worked perfectly and did the job intended.

It isn't fair to say it was an engineering mistake, just because 40 or 50 years later technology has moved on.
Don't believe anyone has said they were an engineering mistake.
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:53:40
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Re: Government to pay our openreach costs or force openreach


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In reply to a post by northantspete:
I wouldnt say it's fair to put the cost on us to change it either - they have the contract, they are the owners, they need to give us an alternative fro super fast broadband.
They do offer an alternative. openreach will run fibre pretty much anywhere you ask them to for a price. And therein lies the problem with talking about fairness. openreach is a business and as such it's allowed (and in fact because it's part of BT has a legal obligation) to make a profit. Now that's complicated by its license and its importance to 'the public good'. But still - EO lines are by and large functioning as originally intended and are not in any way faulty or badly installed.

So basically those poor sods on the end of an EO line are asking openreach to - fanfair please - upgrade their line to support additional functionality.

They should not be asking (nor expecting) openreach to fix their line because there's nothing wrong with it.

It's an upgrade and upgrading just about anything comes with a cost.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 18-Apr-19 17:58:05
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Re: Government to pay our openreach costs or force openreach


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Many of the remaining (I say remaining as a good number have had cabinets added or in the case of Fibre First exchanges have gone full fibre) EO lines are in areas that would often be considered commercially competitive, so if there is a profit to be made directing the petition solely at Openreach is a mistake.

In short maybe better to cast the net wider and look at others e.g. is a city in the Gigabit City radar of CityFibre, or others deploying full fibre, or ripe for a VIrgin Media expansion.

No broadband provider is under a legal obligation to provider broadband beyond the 10 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up sync speeds of the broadband USO and how that will work should be revealed by Ofcom later in 2019. It may be for those getting close to full speed sync from ADSL2+ and 1,001 Kbps sync on upload that the USO will bring nothing. In which case the petition is again wrong and you should have been submitting your case during the USO consultation phase.

With larger 4G allowances and unlimited from people like three, that is an alternative for those where ADSL2+ is not fast enough and no other option available.

The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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(staff) Thu 18-Apr-19 17:58:47
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It was spamming.

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Standard User warweezil
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 19-Apr-19 19:18:19
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Not to mention cross-posted......

Any ISP that thinks that selling my click traffic is acceptable is MisinPHORMed
VIVACITI 80/20 FTTC
SWPM PCP29 - Still suffering Random drops and intermittent high error counts

BQM - looking better than it has been....
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