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Standard User northantspete
(newbie) Thu 18-Apr-19 12:03:23
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Government to pay our openreach costs or force openreach


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Force the unlock of Exchange Only Broadband lines or provide funds cover costs

Exchange only lines are those that do not have a cabinet and are usually feet from the exchange. Due to the way the lines have been configured, EO lines that go directly into the exchange (no cabinet) cannot get super fast broadband. This is not the fault of the home owner.

OFCOM will not move this forward either so the government must step in to unlock EO lines and force companies to upgrade these lines or find a solution. This affects hundreds of properties around the country, despite being in busy towns and cities, they cannot get fast broadband. The current UK broadband backend provider (openreach) must be take over the costs and be held responsible Failing this the government must set up a fund to unlock these lines in order to offer all super fast broadband.

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/258240/spon...
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 18-Apr-19 12:52:24
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Well aware of the frustration people affected will be feeling, but there is a fine line to be walked between spamming people and raising awareness.

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Standard User northantspete
(newbie) Thu 18-Apr-19 12:59:10
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ITs not spamming, rather get signed up and help everyone


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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Apr-19 13:19:39
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It doesnít help everyone though does it ?

You also state that EO lines are usually very short, this isnít correct either.

Are you spamming Virgin Media forums asking that they provide service too ?

Standard User dect
(member) Thu 18-Apr-19 14:20:57
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In reply to a post by northantspete:
This is not the fault of the home owner.
Not wanting to play devils advocate but I do agree with this part.
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Apr-19 14:36:38
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In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by northantspete:
This is not the fault of the home owner.
Not wanting to play devils advocate but I do agree with this part.
It's not the fault of openreach either. At the time the lines were installed (surely the vast majority of them anyway) it was an appropriate and acceptable engineering decision.

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Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK
Standard User danielhyde
(newbie) Thu 18-Apr-19 14:38:22
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I was on an Exchange Only line in a village and after enough of us registered interest in Superfast broadband we now have FTTC.
Standard User dect
(member) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:10:25
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In reply to a post by Andrue:
In reply to a post by dect:
In reply to a post by northantspete:
This is not the fault of the home owner.
Not wanting to play devils advocate but I do agree with this part.
It's not the fault of openreach either. At the time the lines were installed (surely the vast majority of them anyway) it was an appropriate and acceptable engineering decision.
Acceptable maybe but not necessary appropriate, I have seen some crazy engineering decisions made by PO/BT/Openreach over the years so nothing surprises me any more.
Standard User TheInstaller
(newbie) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:24:27
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Regarding EO lines, let's not forget that when these were put in, broadband didn't exist. Therefore as these were voice only lines, as most were when they were originally put in, they worked perfectly and did the job intended.

It isn't fair to say it was an engineering mistake, just because 40 or 50 years later technology has moved on.
Standard User northantspete
(newbie) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:28:15
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I wouldnt say it's fair to put the cost on us to change it either - they have the contract, they are the owners, they need to give us an alternative fro super fast broadband.

Yes ADSL is at full speed, however these days everything in the house wants an internet connection, and brings it down for everyone else when it uses it.

Im sick of downloading an app and the kids all shout "Dad the internets not working!"
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:42:46
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Yes it is. It is SPAM.


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Standard User dect
(member) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:50:48
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In reply to a post by TheInstaller:
Regarding EO lines, let's not forget that when these were put in, broadband didn't exist. Therefore as these were voice only lines, as most were when they were originally put in, they worked perfectly and did the job intended.

It isn't fair to say it was an engineering mistake, just because 40 or 50 years later technology has moved on.
Don't believe anyone has said they were an engineering mistake.
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 18-Apr-19 15:53:40
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In reply to a post by northantspete:
I wouldnt say it's fair to put the cost on us to change it either - they have the contract, they are the owners, they need to give us an alternative fro super fast broadband.
They do offer an alternative. openreach will run fibre pretty much anywhere you ask them to for a price. And therein lies the problem with talking about fairness. openreach is a business and as such it's allowed (and in fact because it's part of BT has a legal obligation) to make a profit. Now that's complicated by its license and its importance to 'the public good'. But still - EO lines are by and large functioning as originally intended and are not in any way faulty or badly installed.

So basically those poor sods on the end of an EO line are asking openreach to - fanfair please - upgrade their line to support additional functionality.

They should not be asking (nor expecting) openreach to fix their line because there's nothing wrong with it.

It's an upgrade and upgrading just about anything comes with a cost.

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Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Edited by Andrue (Thu 18-Apr-19 15:54:35)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 18-Apr-19 17:58:05
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Many of the remaining (I say remaining as a good number have had cabinets added or in the case of Fibre First exchanges have gone full fibre) EO lines are in areas that would often be considered commercially competitive, so if there is a profit to be made directing the petition solely at Openreach is a mistake.

In short maybe better to cast the net wider and look at others e.g. is a city in the Gigabit City radar of CityFibre, or others deploying full fibre, or ripe for a VIrgin Media expansion.

No broadband provider is under a legal obligation to provider broadband beyond the 10 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up sync speeds of the broadband USO and how that will work should be revealed by Ofcom later in 2019. It may be for those getting close to full speed sync from ADSL2+ and 1,001 Kbps sync on upload that the USO will bring nothing. In which case the petition is again wrong and you should have been submitting your case during the USO consultation phase.

With larger 4G allowances and unlimited from people like three, that is an alternative for those where ADSL2+ is not fast enough and no other option available.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 18-Apr-19 17:58:47
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It was spamming.

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Standard User warweezil
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 19-Apr-19 19:18:19
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Not to mention cross-posted......

Any ISP that thinks that selling my click traffic is acceptable is MisinPHORMed
VIVACITI 80/20 FTTC
SWPM PCP29 - Still suffering Random drops and intermittent high error counts

BQM - looking better than it has been....
Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 25-Mar-20 22:42:52
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I know that this is an old thread.

We are on FTTC which is around 500m away. A few years ago my download speed was in the upper 30's, now today I'm getting ADSL2 speeds. Likely due to crosstalk, although having 1950's underground cable to the wooden pole opposite does not help.

The drop-wire is new and the new single circuit style.

My wish is for FTTP, but unlikely for a while yet. At least OR fitted a FTTC cabinet about 50 metres away from their exchange for those on EO lines.

Cheers!

Clive

Andrews & Arnold Home::1 FTTC DrayTek Vigor 2762ac Cisco SPA112 and HUAWEI E5776 with O2 Data SIM
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