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Standard User trumpet272
(newbie) Thu 10-Mar-11 11:21:21
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HI

We're a small community at the end of the line outside a village in Wiltshire. We achieve less than 0.5mb currently and we need another solution! Our feasibility report came back from Rutland Telecom and we would not be able to provide the numbers required to make it work. We are however all prepared to pay, within reason, over the odds for a decent result.

None of us are concerned by latency of satellite as far as we understand it - online gaming and VoIP. Unless there are any other latency downsides we are unaware of? I am mostly concerned about the Usage allowance - does 10GB (at £100 per month) get you anything these days?!

So I presume our only other option is fixed wireless. Can anyone recommend? Tried Kijoma - but can't get through.

Many thanks in advance for pointers!
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 10-Mar-11 11:23:46
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Which exchange?

Which village?



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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 10-Mar-11 11:31:24
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Talk to the county council they are possibly looking at solutions for areas of wiltshire as there is some money from BDUK for this sort of thing.

10GB at £100 a month - OUCH. Cheaper satellite with higher allowances is on the way via KA Band satellites that launched at the end of 2010.

10GB equates to 20 episodes of Top Gear via iPlayer probably. So if sharing this with others you can quickly see the problem.

Have you explored all the wiring changes that might improve your current broadband? A lot of people put up with 0.5 from a duff supplier not realising that more is possible, attenuation, noise margin and sync speeds from current ADSL hardware will let people evaluate.

I presume that there is no 3G wireless coverage? If it is only just outside the 3G area, then an external antenna might get you 3G access which will be cheaper than satellite.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User trumpet272
(newbie) Thu 10-Mar-11 11:59:39
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Thanks for the replies - postcode is SN84NT exchange is Burbage - and 3G, in fact any mobile, signals are very much hit and miss there, mostly miss.

As for wiring, my house is being built there so it will all be new, (unlike the old house I am moving form that has literally a maze of prehistoric wiring that has flummoxed every engineer who's ever been there!)

Agreed, 10GB doesn't go very far, and the Satellite options I've looked at seem to have this as their top tier of usage allowance! And at £100 ppm... Would be interested to know whats in the pipeline, I expect to move in in June.

So, new house, new business working from home, it would be nice to know I'm choosing the best solution. Any recommendations on the best Satellite ISP?

Thanks all again.
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(staff) Thu 10-Mar-11 12:37:02
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Yes don't buy that house.

Some one in Milkhouse Water is getting 2.3Mbps from our speedtester - you can see this at maps.thinkbroadband.com

Satellites no idea on who is good, the retailers have a tendency to come and go.

I would seriously spend some time looking at the ADSL stats from your line. You say the house is being built, so do you have a connected phone line already? If not then the 0.5Meg you are worrying about might be more, it might be less, estimates tend to be pessimistic due to the bad press from people not getting the speeds they think they would.

Even a 0.5Meg service with 0.4Meg upstream should be reasonable for remote working. The latency would be good compared to 3G or satellite too.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User trumpet272
(newbie) Thu 10-Mar-11 13:20:40
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No phone lines in yet, coming up to first fix. Is there anything I can make sure happens when it does? Any equipment I could put it to get the best basis for ADSL if that's what route I take? Only thing I'm ensuring so far is that the line comes in to the middle of the property to avoid long cable runs.

The two neighbours I have are a couple of fields away each, and they are both getting the same, half a meg speeds. Some stats:

For Telephone No: 01672XXXXXX
Postcode: SN8 4NT
Phone & Postcode search OK

Exchange Information
Exchange: Burbage BT Code: SSBBG
Location: High Street, SN8 3AF
Distance:- Direct: 4.17 km
(appx)* By Road: 7.24 km
Status
ADSL enabled: February 23, 2005
DSL Max enabled: March 30, 2006
SDSL enabled : Not Enabled
21CN due : (PSTN) N/A
21CN WBC (Broadband) Not available
Broadband Access† Market 1
BT Line Speed Estimation

Fixed ADSL: 256 kbps (0.3 Mb)
DSL Max: 1000 kbps (1 Mb)
21CN WBC : Not Available

RAG Test Results

Fixed: 1Mbps and 2Mbps not possible
radsl: Line has over 75dB loss, ADSL unlikely, but will be tested by an engineer on-site
MAX: ADSL Max is available
TPON: No info in database
Check: No compatability issues



Thanks for the link to the maps, is it possible to investigate/buy into another speed that is local to me? Or is seeing other's favourable speeds just a cruel fact of life!

Cheers
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Thu 10-Mar-11 13:25:13
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the average UK use is I recall somewhere between 10 and 20 GB.

If you opt to watch television on, god forbid, a television then you probably would come nowhere near that.

Some sat packages have off-peak download limits that are more generous and prices generally less expensive than you quote.

AB Internet I think are working with UK Broadband to set up wireless provision, but that may not get sufficient numbers either from what you say about Rutland.

Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics
Are your kids pirates ? Limewire, Bearshare, Kazaa, BitTorrent, eMule are all tools of the trade.
Standard User Cobra001
(committed) Thu 10-Mar-11 13:45:19
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HI, you could always doing something like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-range_Wi-Fi

one of my friends use it down in Cornwall as he can't get decent adsl but another freind not to far away get good adsl
Standard User trumpet272
(newbie) Thu 10-Mar-11 14:12:26
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is that DIY fixed wireless?

Not sure my technical abilities would stretch....
Standard User trumpet272
(newbie) Thu 10-Mar-11 14:14:09
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I tried AB internet actually a few days ago, it sounded great but they are not in my area.

Kijoma seem to be the only ones but I can't get through.

Thanks all.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 10-Mar-11 14:15:25
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7km of phone line 1Meg down to 0.5Meg is the right sort of figure, and not much you can do about that.

Buying into a better speed involves making the phone line shorter, i.e. paying to move phone exchange or not building house where it is.

I would if vaguely friendly try and get the attenuation and other stats, because I come across lots of people where an ISP has left them on an old half meg fixed speed product, but line might manage 1.2Meg if left to rate adapt. Downside is that the 1.2Meg might not be as stable as the 0.5Meg.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 10-Mar-11 14:18:03
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At the simplest level it involves getting two outdoor antennas and pointing them at each other, the speed you get depends on distance and not having ANYTHING in the way, i.e. you need to be able to see the other end of the connection.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Thu 10-Mar-11 14:26:02
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How many of you are there. AB were allegedly doing solutions for notspots but will need a minimum number.

Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics
Are your kids pirates ? Limewire, Bearshare, Kazaa, BitTorrent, eMule are all tools of the trade.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 10-Mar-11 14:26:35
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You can always add another phone line and double the speed.



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Standard User Cobra001
(committed) Thu 10-Mar-11 22:18:28
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it depends how far you need to send the signal

if its a small distance then its very easy, the further you have to send the signal, the more complicated it get and the more fancier the equipment gets

Two WRT54g router, two external aerials and two satellite dishes was all we needed.

Is there anywhere within line of site that could get or already has access to fast internet access
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 10-Mar-11 23:02:08
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There was a not all that technical writeup of a DIY 'long distance' WiFi setup in The Register a few weeks back. Worth a read then you know what's involved.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/03/not_spot_diary/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/03/not_spot_no_...

ADSL has the potential to be a lot simpler, but looking at the Point Topic guesstimates near your postcode, your DSL speed would be poor:
http://maps.thinkbroadband.com/#!lat=51.364279308166...[source]=pt-notspots (be sure to click on notspots/slowspots, pasting the link here loses that option?)
Standard User wirelesspacman
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 11-Mar-11 08:52:05
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DIY fixed wireless is not as hard as it sounds.

Most important thing is to establish somewhere that (a) you can get a decent adsl signal at and (b) would be prepared to "host" it for you and (c) has direct, unimpeded line of sight to your home.

Note that I did not include "and is close" to that list. Equipment is easily available (from us and other sources) that can (legally) do 10km line of sight.

If you are interested to learn more then feel free to pm me.

Peter

Loop Scorpio Ltd
Ledbury; Highnam; Newent; Painswick; Arlingham
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Standard User trumpet272
(newbie) Fri 11-Mar-11 10:37:41
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Thank you all for the replies and info - and PM sent!

Cheers
Standard User kijoma
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:17:22
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Hi,

Sorry to hear you felt you coud not get through. You or somebody representing your enquiry spoke to our office staff and we said we would take a look at your requirement and get back to you when we had an answer.

As you can tell from our mapping, we currently do not have any coverage/infrastructure in your area. Our checks show we could readily provide a service there if we had the time and resource free to install a new network.

Unfortunately for your area, we have already filled this years planned expansion quota.

We choose which areas to expand to next initially based on the level of demand we receive on our "contact us" form, followed by the response we get from those enquiries when it comes to deciding.

Next year we will do the same again so I can only suggest as many people register their interest in the area so when it comes to it they are on or near the top of the list.

Cheers - Bill - Kijoma Broadband

In reply to a post by trumpet272:
I tried AB internet actually a few days ago, it sounded great but they are not in my area.

Kijoma seem to be the only ones but I can't get through.

Thanks all.


Bill Lewis - MD
Kijoma Broadband - (Division of Kijoma Solutions Ltd)
Fixed wireless ISP - ISPA/CISAS/RIPE members
http://www.kijoma.net
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Standard User wayneandleanne
(newbie) Mon 14-Mar-11 09:31:07
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go and speak to he.net (huricane electric) will do you a 100meg connection for £100 ish per month, but the install side of it you may have to figure out yourself
Standard User wirelesspacman
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 14-Mar-11 13:06:11
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dream on!

Peter

Loop Scorpio Ltd
Ledbury; Highnam; Newent; Painswick; Arlingham
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Standard User gr4z
(newbie) Mon 22-Oct-12 13:05:20
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Just resurrecting this thread...I am also interested in this PTP wireless bridging. Can anyone give me any pointers to sharing my father's 100mb Virgin Media cable connection, to replace my <2mb ADSL. He lives 5km away and the land is very flat between us (edges of the Fens, Cambridgeshire). Does anyone reckon this is possible? Many thanks

Edited by gr4z (Mon 22-Oct-12 13:08:57)

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