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Standard User Pheasant
(member) Sun 03-Jan-21 09:18:00
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Starlink


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Interested to hear if anyone has signed up to the "Better Than Nothing" beta program.
Standard User boxst
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 09-Feb-21 21:32:08
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I signed up with Starlink a while ago but haven’t heard anything. I believe that they are going to trial in the UK some time this year.

(I have FTTP 900/100 in one house and due to sad personal circumstances, spend quite a lot fo time in a different house with 5mb/ADSL or 20mb/4G)
Standard User paulatkinson100
(newbie) Wed 10-Feb-21 17:25:02
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Hi there,

I have been following the satellite beam patterns and there are still a few holes over the UK so far.

https://satellitemap.space/

Regards

Paul


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Standard User blfamily
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 12-Feb-21 21:57:55
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Linus Tech Tips did a review of Starlink Beta Kit https://youtu.be/Fh1a2K9ZgNA

Steve
Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Fri 12-Feb-21 22:58:01
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I saw that, was good to see him mentioning OneWeb too.
Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Sat 13-Feb-21 11:00:51
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So did I. I’ve read they have a UK based beta user. If I recall somewhere the south west. The initial class of service they offer will be ideal for rural locations with no other workable options.

Although it’s hard to distinguish if this is just Elon being Elon, but there are much higher bandwidths planned with polar satellites acting as backhaul....using satellite to satellite lasers.....

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/01/starli...

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Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Mon 15-Feb-21 17:06:12
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Just watched this review posted from Oregon.

https://youtu.be/Sjo4Y6YjCi8

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 16-Feb-21 00:30:59
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Interesting video thank you. I presume that the dish is able to track a satellite in the sky until it gets to low and then move to another one. I wonder what the performance is like when it is raining.

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Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Tue 16-Feb-21 08:19:48
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I understand the antenna is a phased array and thus tracks the satellite electronically rather than mechanically - once of course it is moved into the optimal reception position. It may possibly need to realign itself from time to time, but I don’t think it’s moving around regularly (unless of course you move the antenna).

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 17-Feb-21 00:22:19
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Yes you are quite right thank you. There is a teardown video here. Complex electronics which perhaps explains the price.

Michael Chare
Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Thu 18-Feb-21 08:46:06
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In reply to a post by paulatkinson100:
Hi there,

I have been following the satellite beam patterns and there are still a few holes over the UK so far.

https://satellitemap.space/

Regards

Paul

I’ve just be reading that they’ve launched something like 1035 satellites already, which is impressive in itself, but they’re adding to the constellation at a rate of 60 satellite per launch, with launches planned for every 2 weeks this year. Eventually getting to 12,000 satellites. With a possible later extension to 42,000 satellite. Good heavens above!!!

Cribbed from Wiki...

The initial 12,000 satellites are planned to orbit in three orbital shells:

First: 1,440 in a 550 km (340 mi) altitude shell,
Second: 2,825 Ku-band and Ka-band spectrum satellites at 1,110 km (690 mi),
Third: 7,500 V-band satellites at 340 km (210 mi).

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Standard User blfamily
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 19-Feb-21 19:36:40
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Thats amazing, shame he wont be able to put it back together again !

Steve
Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Fri 19-Feb-21 20:32:03
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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:
Yes you are quite right thank you. There is a teardown video here. Complex electronics which perhaps explains the price.

Some really neat design ideas there. Just looking at the mechanicals alone; the pole azimuth/elevation motors alone have some very useful ideas such as the hollow shaft design so the network/power cable doesn’t snag / wrap itself around the pole. It also doesn’t use linear actuators, which as any farmer with a (modern) fertiliser spreader will tell you are the first (expensive) bits of electro-mechanics to disintegrate....

Quite Tesla-like in their vertical integration and design philosophy.

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Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Tue 23-Feb-21 16:40:14
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In reply to a post by boxst:
I signed up with Starlink a while ago but haven’t heard anything. I believe that they are going to trial in the UK some time this year.

(I have FTTP 900/100 in one house and due to sad personal circumstances, spend quite a lot fo time in a different house with 5mb/ADSL or 20mb/4G)

Taking (pre)orders now apparently for mid/late 2021. Just got an email...

Hardware £439
Shipping & Handling £54
Monthly charge £89

Up front charge £89

https://postimg.cc/4KZHwDBk

https://postimg.cc/xJn7f15x

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 23-Feb-21 16:49:05
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Good luck!

Michael Chare

Edited by Michael_Chare (Tue 23-Feb-21 17:01:33)

Standard User jpm
(member) Tue 23-Feb-21 17:20:17
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Got the same email, but the equipment costs and monthly fee are a bit steep for a beta product. I've left it for now, to let someone else have a chance.
Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Tue 23-Feb-21 17:30:33
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In reply to a post by jpm:
Got the same email, but the equipment costs and monthly fee are a bit steep for a beta product. I've left it for now, to let someone else have a chance.

To be fair the constellation is rapidly getting denser, esp. if they follow through with their claims of fortnightly launches of 60 satellites per load. The Starlink proposition may have changed quite dramatically by the time dishy's land in blighty later this year.

There's a lot of farmers and country folks who can only realistically get quite patchy 4G or old fashioned satellite broadband - so even as a beta product they'd probably still be pretty keen.

Time will tell.

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 23-Feb-21 18:08:51
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In the UK we have relatively cheap broadband which I think is partly due to the competitive nature of the market.

This website showa a world wide comparison FWIW.

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Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Tue 23-Feb-21 18:24:21
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Bit apples and oranges that though Michael. Whilst your data is interesting, I don't think it bears much relevance in this sense as it is a global cost comparison of fixed line broadband.

The point of Starlink (at least in my mind within the UK) is where there is no realistic availability of other broadband alternatives that can provide similar levels of throughput or response time.

So comparing it to fixed line is a bit pointless. A better fit is against traditional satellite broadband or possibly fixed wireless if that's available.

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Standard User boxst
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 23-Feb-21 21:10:56
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I can now order


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Got an email to order, entered my address and apparently it’ll be available in a couple of months. £89 fully refundable deposit.
Standard User Pheasant
(committed) Tue 23-Feb-21 21:18:04
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Yup. The Tesla model. Guess we’ll see what happens.

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Standard User Pheasant
(experienced) Mon 01-Mar-21 14:33:21
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Some interesting Starlink stories from across the pond.

PC Mag, Here's Where Americans Are Using Starlink's Satellite Internet Service
https://uk.pcmag.com/networking/131949/exclusive-her...

Unsurprisingly its the more sparsely populated areas getting in on the action first. You can bet the folks at Starlink are carefully choreographing this, to ensure that folks in rural locations get dibs over more densely populated areas.

PC Mag,More Americans Want Starlink Than 5G Home Internet
https://uk.pcmag.com/news/131702/surveys-more-americ...

Is that damnation of their domestic internet quality or just damning 5G with faint praise?

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 01-Mar-21 14:41:10
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Is that damnation of their domestic internet quality or just damning 5G with faint praise?
A lot of the US has no choice in ISP, and many cable cities have "slow" speeds.

Also US 5G isn't as fast as ours and their mmWave offerings are very rare (and incredibly position dependent).

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 02-Mar-21 21:26:49
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Interesting details about Starlink, even for the Americans it is quite expensive. The BBC South East news showed a Starlink customer in the UK a few days ago. Apparently there are about 100 Beta customers in the UK.

Michael Chare
Standard User Pheasant
(experienced) Thu 04-Mar-21 19:36:39
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Another successful Falcon-9 launch this morning....another 60 Starlink birds in the heavens....

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-17-launch-succ...

You know you're in a new era when the landings are more exciting than the takeoffs!!

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Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Thu 04-Mar-21 20:41:58
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May be time to stop kicking our BB infrastructure providers quite so much. All is not greener on the other side.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 04-Mar-21 20:47:43
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All is not greener on the other side.
Precisely; comparison with the USA is usually futile smile

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Standard User g3vzv
(newbie) Thu 04-Mar-21 23:10:38
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Yes I have signed up for a dishy!

Being just outside the existing Gigaclear and Vodafone/Cityfibre footprints on the outskirts of Milton Keynes means that I am hungry for anything better than I get at the moment being 1 km from a FTTC cabinet.

I will report back of course...
Standard User Pheasant
(experienced) Thu 04-Mar-21 23:18:17
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Cool. Are you on the existing beta programme or did you just sign up from their email shot last Tuesday?

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