In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

Looks like a pretty old link you are relying on there.

I reckon fibre reliability will be hit by the poor installation often very shallow buried and unprotected and the fact that one tree rub or spade hit or other PIA operator treading on or rope burning a single circuit affects many punters. Whereas a single copper disconnection affects a single punter and alerts the telco.

If a telco gets their act together they can detect and prevent copper insulation faults. It's more difficult to predict and prevent fibre or copper breaks.

I spent over 35 years hearing about increased reliability and reduced 'truck rolls' and very seldom did it come to pass.

The installation issues might well be a problem in the future, especially if they've done shallow burial in soft surfaces.

Openreach themselves say up to 5 times more reliable, this using PON, so I'm not sure what I can add beyond that across 35 years BT/Openreach haven't carried out large scale fibre to the premises builds before so the past can't be used as a guide to the future.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/ultrafast-...

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

The installation issues might well be a problem in the future, especially if they've done shallow burial in soft surfaces.

Openreach themselves say up to 5 times more reliable, this using PON, so I'm not sure what I can add beyond that across 35 years BT/Openreach haven't carried out large scale fibre to the premises builds before so the past can't be used as a guide to the future.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/ultrafast-...

If it is five time more reliable, then it should be super reliable, I only had that one major problem for the nine years I was on FTTC and after a couple of months on fibre, had a problem. ummm.

Anyway, it was not fixed yesterday, as it went slow again last night, but according to their status page it is fixed now, lets hope it will stay fixed for a bit. They did also put "We will be upgrading the firmware in our streetside cabinets. This will unfortunately mean a single short service interruption of 5 minutes between 03:00 and 04:00. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause." I don't remember FTTC ever having a firmware update. They may have, but I don't remember it.
I know it is early in the morning, but with more and more devices relaying being online, it is not good. Makes me sometimes wonder if I did make the right choice and should have stayed with FTTC, and this time I am not joking.

If it is five time more reliable, then it should be super reliable, I only had that one major problem for the nine years

Five times more reliable across the network not on an individual link. Yours may have only had 1 problem in 9 years but other lines might have had permanent or regular problems. They are working across the whole network and your line may be considered a "good" line but there are lots of bad lines out there.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

If it is five time more reliable, then it should be super reliable, I only had that one major problem for the nine years I was on FTTC and after a couple of months on fibre, had a problem. ummm.

As you note with your earlier explanation regarding the problem you had with your current FTTP, "it is not just affecting zzoomm". It could equally well have affected ADSL/VDSL services from other providers ummm.

I always think on most things in life the best predictor of the future is the past.

Where I do agree Openreach will see reduced fault volumes is the reduced customer wiring as most copper insulation faults were within the customer premises.

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

I always think on most things in life the best predictor of the future is the past.

From https://www.unissu.com/proptech-resources/Never-Figh...:

In 1929, Lieutenant Colonel J. L. Schley, of the Corps of Engineers wrote in The Military Engineer: “there is a tendency in many armies to spend the peace time studying how to fight the last war”

This quote, often since repeated gives voice to the common error of preparing for old challenges rather than the new. It’s easy to do. We are a pattern recognising species after all. People instinctively react to what’s around them by relating it to something they already understand. They know what already happened and look to see those previous patterns played out again.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Five times more reliable across the network not on an individual link. Yours may have only had 1 problem in 9 years but other lines might have had permanent or regular problems. They are working across the whole network and your line may be considered a "good" line but there are lots of bad lines out there.

I am shocked that FTTC worked at all on my lines, since in the days of ADSL I was told by a Openreach bloke that my cables needed replacing, but they never were.

i had slow-downs on FTTC, certainly towards the end of my contract for some reason, but only the one major problem.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

As you note with your earlier explanation regarding the problem you had with your current FTTP, "it is not just affecting zzoomm". It could equally well have affected ADSL/VDSL services from other providers ummm.

True, Some people on zzoomm's faceache page were saying speeds were dropping below 1Mb/s, I don't think I got that as I could still stream, but it did buffer a couple of times.

Anyway, it all seem to be up and running again now, we will see tonight.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I don't remember FTTC ever having a firmware update. They may have, but I don't remember it.
I know it is early in the morning, but with more and more devices relaying being online, it is not good. Makes me sometimes wonder if I did make the right choice and should have stayed with FTTC, and this time I am not joking.

Maybe they do but don't tell people, Your provider is being truthful about planned outages which is not a bad thing. My router often has a firmware upgrade and reboot around 2am without any warning.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I know it is early in the morning, but with more and more devices relaying being online, it is not good. Makes me sometimes wonder if I did make the right choice and should have stayed with FTTC, and this time I am not joking.

I really hope you keep the forum abreast of each and every one of your thoughts on this matter from day to day and hour to hour.