If a "user group" can be disbanded by a vote of users then it is unquestionaly an independent user group. If it can only be disbanded by PlusNet it is unquestionably a PlusNet tool.

Simon

I think it makes great sense for PlusNet to recruit from the PUG or forums. For all the criticism that has, from time to time, been levelled at the two people you refer to, I do believe that customers will benefit more from their recruitment to PN than from recruits who have no prior experience of the company and its service. So, even though I have questioned the actions and loyalties of both these PUG members in recent months, I am 100% in favour of their recruitment by PlusNet as customers can't help but derive benefit from it.

The value, independence and constitution of the PUG is a different debate. As I posted further down, if customers can't vote to get rid of the PUG then it must be a PlusNet tool - and should be viewed as such.

Simon

It is an odd mix, because both also magaement at Plusnetters forum.

Now either they are recruiting people who are familiar with PN or calls all these forums inwhich PN do post into question.

Perhaps it really means no jobs for mods on AG at PN, the PN staff don't post here or control here;-)

Perhaps these are the fantastic things which IW promised in the couple of weeks after speaking to soundsystem.

>Perhaps it really means no jobs for mods on AG at PN

Want me to test the new ageist legislation on them eh?

You would still probably fall foul of their wageist discrimination. Companies who pay wages that no-one with a family and mortgage could live on are practising ageism by another name.

Simon

"Want me to test the new ageist legislation on them eh?"

Eh, I didn't know they did not take people like you and I, under 21's ;-)

I'm quite sure that if an AG mod had good knowledge of the Plusnet systems and skills suitable for a job at Plusnet they would be welcomed with open arms.

Don't forget that some time ago Phil Richardson made a similar move - I can't remember it being an issue then.

It may suprise you to know that the customers we have asked openly on the PUG forum don't want to get rid of PUG.

Ian

You read it here first.

Well, since you can spend half your life waiting for Plusnet to answer the phones and they are hardly ever on their own forums these days, and long since left here, customers don't have anywhere else to go to get some answers.