PlusNet FTTC

Will plusnet still limit connections as much when users opt for a FTTC product?

At least.

All FTTC does is speed up the connection between you and the exchange. So if more people are asking for more speed on browsing etc. that are allowed to go at line speed ....

Hi Paul,

Currently our *one* fibre customer is on one of our standard products, so all of the product rules apply.

I suspect that once Fibre becomes more widely available, we'll look at designing a fibre product, but nothing really discussed as of yet.

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Go on. Be market leaders. You know you want to.

It's a bit difficult with only 2 exchanges enabled

LOL! So hes limited to something stupid like 512kbps for p2p! Wow. More speed equals more bandwidth surely and higher limits from the get go so that one customer might become a dozen!

My exchange Halifax is down to be enabled October 2009 for FTTC service.
I quite like PlusNet but the speed limiting seems stupid on a VDSL product!

I would be using this for lite P2P usage, web browsing, VPN, Hosting some development servers. Nothing excessive imo.

In reply to a post by bookey:

I would be using this for lite P2P usage, web browsing, VPN, Hosting some development servers. Nothing excessive imo.

That doesn't affect the Ellacoya shaping at the Plusnet end though does it! Nor the Centrals/MSIL provision and capacity.

Central capacity is the reason for Plusnet traffic-shaping. Nothing else. FTTC wil not, in itself, affect that. But FTTC will increase the speed demands between the exchange, the MSILs and the Plusnet servers, so isn't a pleasant thought wrt traffic shaping and/or congestion.

People on FTTC will expect miracle speeds.

Say i go for the 40mbit down and 5mbit up.
I'd expect the connection to burst to these speeds when downloading or uploading, but no for sustained transfer such as P2P. But downloading a copy of a DB from a co-lo server I wuld hope is snappy and peak bandwidth.

In reply to a post by bookey:

Say i go for the 40mbit down and 5mbit up.
I'd expect the connection to burst to these speeds when downloading or uploading, but no for sustained transfer such as P2P. But downloading a copy of a DB from a co-lo server I wuld hope is snappy and peak bandwidth.

No products have been announced, and there will still be attenuation between the cabinet and the premises.

If what you say you expect were likely to be the case then that behaviour would be what you see now only the 40Mbps replaced by your IP Profile. Is it?

Hi,

Our second FTTC customer went online this evening, there are 6 more who are on the enabled exchanges, whose cabinets are ready and have already expressed an interest in the trial who I'll be contacting in the next week or so once we've completed our router testing.

The purpose of the initial phase of the trial is to get a few customers up and running, see what speeds they get, see what the technology is like, test out a few different routers etc.

For these first few in the learning stage we're not overly concerned about their usage, I've spoken to them both about this already and suggested they might want to test out HD streaming and other high bandwidth applications, they'll both be on BBYW Pro and we've given them some free usage too so they don't have to worry about any extra charges and they can see what the faster speeds will do too.

Looking forward we are thinking about plans for FTTC products but at the moment no pricing has been released from BT Wholesale which makes it difficult at this stage to decide what we'll actually do in terms of product design including the kinds of speeds and usage that would be included.

We've already seen an uplift in usage from customers going on ADSL2+ (we did with Max too) so we're expecting an uplift in usage on FTTC too. How much though is difficult to say. Both of our triallists have gone from sync'ing below 6Mbps to above 20Mbps (I've not got the exact figures to hand) which is quite an increase. That sort of change not just gives plenty of bandwidth for iPlayer in HD (or similar) but allows people to do multiple HD streams and download files, play games, etc. all at the same time.

How many households now have more than 1 PC? And with set top boxes like the new BluRay player that does YouTube and other things and boxes on the way that will do iPlayer, speeds from FTTC will let people do all those things at the same time. For me that's where the big growth in usage will be, sure some people will want the fastest speeds for P2P and other downloads but the right product design can shift a lot of that overnight. It's the how much the interactive and streaming traffic will change that's the interesting question.

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

LOL! So hes limited to something stupid like 512kbps for p2p! Wow. More speed equals more bandwidth surely and higher limits from the get go so that one customer might become a dozen!

p2p shaping has nothing to do with the local loop.


seb

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In reply to a post by krazykizza:

LOL! So hes limited to something stupid like 512kbps for p2p! Wow. More speed equals more bandwidth surely and higher limits from the get go so that one customer might become a dozen!

p2p shaping has nothing to do with the local loop.

He should be in California by now, for 3 weeks. Plane this morning.

But I still can't work out what he was trying to say!

thanks for making the synch speeds known as after the aaisp customer went online their downstream speed was never revealed.

sub 6mbit to 20mbit+ is a decent increase.

If we all insist that we want our 4Meg connections lifted to FTTC at 15 to 40Meg, and still be the same price, then peak management might be harsher than now.

Basically expect to pay more for FTTC

Dave,

Can you post the line stats of those 2 customers just to see what we should expect, are a they hitting close to 40mbit like the AAISP customers or are these some way from the cab?

Many thanks

One of them is syncing at 39000Kbps and the other is syncing at something over 20Mbps. We don't have the full information on the second one other than it's "something over 20Mbps".

I didnt say anything about price, and I strongly believe FTTC should cost more anyway, the prices I am seeing for 8mbit and 24mbit services are ridicously low.

No problem paying £30 to £50 a month for a quality 20mbit+ connection that has no traffic shaping applied and a usage limit of at least 300 gig a month.

I disagree. If the gas company decided to put a bigger mains pipe into your street would you accept having to pay more for using the same amount of gas?

In reply to a post by kamelion:

I disagree. If the gas company decided to put a bigger mains pipe into your street would you accept having to pay more for using the same amount of gas?

The cost of laying that pipe has to be paid for by somebody. In fact a great many old steel pipes have been replaced with plastic over the last 20 years. Guess who paid for that?

The cost of replacing outdated sewerage systems is paid for by the customer. The costs go up and up, my usage has not changed.