Funny how everyone focuses on me. No it wasn't "unnecessary" As at the time I had reason to believe it was kinda like spamming, and i gave reason for it when prompted. But whatever, you seem driven to pride home your point of he did it, its all is fault, im telling my mommy of you.

Upbeat as ever.

final note: don't join plusnet, they will screw you over while giving you slow speeds.

Right everybody!.

Listen up...As per usual in this forum it has been sidetracked. It seems impossible for members to concentrate on the OP.

If people want to discuss moderating policy or whatnot do it directly via TTTS.

Just to clarify... the OP was not "told off" by mods, in fact my interjection was to counteract a post that did so.

Keep to the OP please and try hard keep any molehills you find in this forum small.

Seeing that this post is asking about PlusNet and essentially how they perform, I'd like to ask a question.
Looking at those detailed speed vs time period charts that PlusNet show for their packages, are those speeds in practice generally held up. Or can there be times when say a throttled speed of say stated at 128Kbps in their chart, actually goes lower than that? So in the main do PN stick accurately to going NO lower than the advertised throttled speeds?

final note: don't join plusnet, they will screw you over while giving you slow speeds

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Ok genuine question can you base this on actual personal experience or is it just guesswork on your part not trying to inflame any argument as I'm genuinely interested, there appears to be a problem at the moment with certain services and I wondered if the poster was experiencing this

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

final note: don't join plusnet, they will screw you over while giving you slow speeds.

Your signature seems to indicate that you are not a Plusnet user - if you are perhaps you could update it. Otherwise can you explain how you can make such an assertion please.

In reply to a post by Vorlon:

Seeing that this post is asking about PlusNet and essentially how they perform, I'd like to ask a question.
Looking at those detailed speed vs time period charts that PlusNet show for their packages, are those speeds in practice generally held up. Or can there be times when say a throttled speed of say stated at 128Kbps in their chart, actually goes lower than that? So in the main do PN stick accurately to going NO lower than the advertised throttled speeds?

The speed is a maximum of 128Kbps, not a minimum. Depending on which protocol is used, packets are prioritised on the network, then either forwarded or dropped by the network management.

All the information is provided in the links, for example; the Value package rate limits the Usenet protocol to 128Kbps between 2pm-4pm, if you were connected to PTN-AG1 Plusnet 3 at that time today, your 128Kbps bandwidth was possibly losing 13% of packets, therefore reducing the 128Kbps maximum rate limit. Usenet is classed as Best Effort on the Value package, they are the first packets to be dropped.

You will hear Plusnet subscribers talk of Gateway Hopping, as reconnecting may change Gateway to a less busy one, ie one which is dropping less packets.

It is complicated, but in short, depending on protocol priority, the maximum speeds may not be achievable if packet loss on the Gateway is high.

EDIT:Typo

Edited by deleted (Sun 26-Jul-09 00:02:22)

In reply to a post by jelv:

On Pro all traffic is Gold or better

Yep, I keep forgetting. But it is not unknown for Gold packets to drop, for a few months recently Gold packets were dropping regularly at peak times.

It seems to have improved, but at the expense of a big increase in packet drops for lower classed protocols.

I won't comment on the "screw you over", but it is well documented that things are slowing down.

In reply to a post by Pod:

In reply to a post by Vorlon:

Seeing that this post is asking about PlusNet and essentially how they perform, I'd like to ask a question.
Looking at those detailed speed vs time period charts that PlusNet show for their packages, are those speeds in practice generally held up. Or can there be times when say a throttled speed of say stated at 128Kbps in their chart, actually goes lower than that? So in the main do PN stick accurately to going NO lower than the advertised throttled speeds?

The speed is a maximum of 128Kbps, not a minimum. Depending on which protocol is used, packets are prioritised on the network, then either forwarded or dropped by the network management.

All the information is provided in the links, for example; the Value package rate limits the Usenet protocol to 128Kbps between 2pm-4pm, if you were connected to PTN-AG1 Plusnet 3 at that time today, your 128Kbps bandwidth was losing 13% of packets, therefore reducing the 128Kbps maximum rate limit. Usenet is classed as Best Effort on the Value package, they are the first packets to be dropped.

You will hear Plusnet subscribers talk of Gateway Hopping, as reconnecting may change Gateway to a less busy one, ie one which is dropping less packets.

It is complicated, but in short, depending on protocol priority, the maximum speeds may not be achievable if packet loss on the Gateway is high.

EDIT:Typo

Whilst your answer is more on the technical side, seeing PN isn't an ISP I'd consider myself, I'm not really interested in too much detail.
My participation in this thread was because I was looking to see if PN was worth recommending to a friend who is a light user.

With the Traffic Shaping in mind, I was more interested (as per the OP) as to what was the reality with PN and were those figures shown in their charts reasonably Real World?

After reading this from your link:-

4. Speed Problems

We can't guarantee that you'll always see these speeds, but if your line and the network are running properly then it's rare to see much lower - your broadband speed can be affected by a number of things. Read more about them here.

....they would suggest those figures are fairly accurate and for most of the time. So if you have a good line rate/bras profile, do users feel those figures are reasonably portrayed by PN, especially as they use the word "Rare" in their technical quote (above)

I have used a plusnet connection before and have a buddy in the south who has them for an ISP and has had speed issues since migrating. I don't need to be a plusnet user to voice an opinion. Your basicly saying to speak about the labour party you need to be a member of it.

poppycock.