> That's the best idea on this forum today. Then there is no arguing about which side has been banned.
It's fair in that way but tomorrow we'd end up with the same thing..

seb

My apologies It wasn't directed at you, just a general comment based on your question, you seem a genuine poster here, and I know you weren't questioning my right to post. It was my current impression from reading six months of posts, rightly or wrongly.

I just hate the 'supply the link' thing as it means my impression must therefore be worthless unless I wade through the last 6 months and supply the evidence.

> I just hate the 'supply the link' thing as it means my impression must therefore be
> worthless unless I wade through the last 6 months and supply the evidence.

I share your view on this .. but equally there are many unwarranted statements that go by.

seb

That would make an interesting forum...I like it

"Either way, I honestly believe they are trying to engage now.. and I think some people are just determined to blame them unless they are 'perfect' to their model ISP (whether that's sustainable or not being irrelevant), a standard they don't hold other ISPs to. "

1. Yes they might or might not be trying to be transparent, engaging. But with their track record do you not think a large bucket of salt is called for until that is proven. Otherwise it might be that we just turn back the clock 6 months and their spin machine is in charge, to the detriment of that public you have these boards for the benefit of.

2. Is this the old chestnut, you don't go round all the boards making such comments. I personally would hold any ISP to a good standard, read my present posting on Pipex and the way they are treating customers with billing issues. But I know something about them and the way they operate and I do with PN. Many of the staff are still at PN that were there when I was a customer and that gives me some knowledge of how they work. But yee gods are you expecting us to have that knowledge about every ISP on your forums?

True, there is no easy answer. Glad I'm not the mod here !

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Couldnt the above be seen as evidence of the mods/admin taking sides here?
You seem to be saying that more "anti Plusnetters" were considred for a ban, with nothing mentioned about banning the PRO ones
(My embolding in your quote)

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We didn't "consider" any other specific individuals.. I don't have a "hit list" in front of me.. I was speculating based on the reaction.. maybe the solution would have been to be wider. but what's done is done. Although we had thought about how to deal with this problem before, the ban was the reason this came about now.

seb

Paul I would never suggest your impressions are worthless.
But in saying that what if your impression is wrong (I'm not saying it is).
How can a wrong impression be corrected if not by checking?

Sorry but you could read your post either way. I don't know your style of posting so I read it has a bash at plusnet and TBB. Some posters are very clever to load their posts in that way then claim foul when mods take exception to it, not suggesting you are one by the way! I don't know your posting style plain and simple. I've just done it to David in this thread

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1. Yes they might or might not be trying to be transparent, engaging. But with their track record do you not think a large bucket of salt is called for until that is proven. Otherwise it might be that we just turn back the clock 6 months and their spin machine is in charge, to the detriment of that public you have these boards for the benefit of.

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Those who know me know I have a long memory so I don't forget something quickly.. I absolutely agree you should be sceptical.. and they have to prove themselves to you.. I'm not suggesting you should be giving out umpteen "get out of jail" cards.. But equally there is a destructive force which needs to disappear.

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2. Is this the old chestnut, you don't go round all the boards making such comments. I personally would hold any ISP to a good standard, read my present posting on Pipex and the way they are treating customers with billing issues. But I know something about them and the way they operate and I do with PN. Many of the staff are still at PN that were there when I was a customer and that gives me some knowledge of how they work. But yee gods are you expecting us to have that knowledge about every ISP on your forums?

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As I've said I wouldn't expect someone to have to go around every ISP to take up issues.. but sometimes focus on one ISP makes you blind.. some could argue we're suffering from this problem by focussing resources on PN.. Unfortunately that choice hasn't been ours.

seb