The point of RIN was that we had a completely different login to access it and this went directly into the BT Retail Network. This is completely different to connecting to the BT Wholesale Network.
With respect to Plusnet saying never I would ask for a link as I don't remember ever seeing a statement that they would never use it
http://phormwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/phorm-free-uk-isps.html

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Neil Armstrong, Products Director of PlusNet sent me an email with an official company statement: "We have not trialled Phorm and have no plans to do so."

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From the same page

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Zen Internet: http://www.zen.co.uk/ - have stated in an email that: "...we have no plans to perform customer URL stream monitoring, nor enter into contract with Phorm."

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I hope that was an i starred out and not an a

Test post "twits" - Oh dear

ZEN:

"We have not spoken to them and we would not speak to them," a Zen Internet spokeswoman said. The firm specialises in business broadband. "Zen Internet will continue to monitor OIX [Open Internet Exchange, Phorm's advertising network] with regards to protecting its customers."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_broadband_isp_targets/

Plusnet:

A spokesman at the Sheffield-based provider could not be reached today, but product manager Ian Wild told subscribers in its forums: "We'd certainly do an opt-in or opt-out with something like this if we ever did it.

"Just to say again though, I'm pretty neutral from a product manager perspective as long as our customers are happy, and from a personal perspective it's something I might well choose to opt-out of unless the reason not to was very compelling."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_broadband_isp_targets/

From the link you posted, "We have not trialled Phorm and have no plans to do so." is to me a fairly definitive, we won't be trying it.

Unless of course they were going to get BT to trial it, and then Plusnet would implement it without doing a trial. That's really the only other way our friend Neil could get out of that one.

Anyway, the balls in PN's court, are they going to confirm they will not implement it, or confirm there is a real possibility that they will use Phorm.

I wouldn't expect an open and honest answer though, as too many people may possibly leave.

"So, just to reiterate for those not watching closely, we don't have any plans to work with Phorm or anyone similar, although I can't guarantee that the RIN platform won't be affected (It presumably will)."

http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,61201.msg498478.html#msg498478

Ian had his crystal ball out on that day

"Hi Jelv,

It is our understanding that RIN customers will be affected by this.

We're currently collectng further details and we're currently drafting an email to advise those customers of what this can mean for them and giving information on how to rejoin the PlusNet network."

http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,61201.msg499301.html#msg499301

"As far as PlusNet is concerned it's been confirmed that we aren't planning to implement any system like this, and I don't think any more input from us is needed is it?"

http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,61201.160.html

"For the few customers left using RIN there was always a chance they would be affected by this, but as it stands they aren't currently. We've already said that if that were to change there would be an email from us as well as the opt-out screen that BT customers get anyway (And of course the option to set your service back to the PlusNet network if you want). The plan was always to swing back the RIN realm once the trial ended anyway (which it has) and it may still happen anyway as part of a different project."

http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,61201.160.html

Edited by soundsystem (Tue 11-Nov-08 11:13:58)

www.howbroadbandworksintheukforidiots.com

oops, sorry - wrong link.

<<<www.howbroadbandworksintheukforidiots.com

oops, sorry - wrong link.



Ahh another one who cannot have a conversation, but has to post insults?

Plusnet employee by any chance?

Edited by soundsystem (Tue 11-Nov-08 11:20:26)

(The grow up bit was with regard to the OTT language in the description of BT).

Re the point you make here, I'm not sure Plusnet would know what "conspiracy theory" deal HMG have with BT. I believe it was a genuine mistake on the BT side of RIN, which is totally outside Plusnet control, and Phorm may even be one of the reasons Plusnet withdrew from the trial.

I don't expect any relevant statement from Plusnet as any such would need to come from very senior management and could endanger their own jobs. This is the real world I'm afraid.

What I find strange is that only one RIN user at Plusnet was affected. Almost as though in some way that user falls into some other group in the continuing BT trial and was accidentally not removed.

From http://www2.bt.com/static/i/btretail/webwise/help.html#when-will-you-trial-bt-webwise

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When will you be trialling BT Webwise?

BT is commencing trials of BT Webwise on 30th September 2008. We will be inviting a small proportion of BT's consumer broadband customers to take part in the trial. The trial involves only BT Retail consumer broadband customers; it does not involve customers of BT Business, BT Ireland or other BT-owned ISPs, such as PlusNet.

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Shows how much you can trust anything BT say.

Not at all.

Unfortunately, although people have tried to explain to you how the RIN network trial functioned, you choose to believe that BT can somehow intercept all ISP's traffic.

They can't.

If you actually took a minute to read some of the responses that were posted, you might understand how the RIN trial actually worked, and therefore how it was possible for this issue to occur.

However, if you choose not to read and digest the information then the above link is obviously for you.