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Standard User MHC
(legend) Mon 29-Oct-12 16:05:41
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Which free AV software?


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I currently run McAfee but may have a problem on two PCs.

On one when I try to login in, it takes the password and start to login before returning to the select user screen. Another PC which does not have a user password effectively freezes and I cannot get any keystrokes or mouses clicks to work. In both cases choosing another user has allowed me onto that machine and able to access files.

Both are running XP - fully patched and neither are now connected to my network and thus the web. In both cases the problems started after a "McAfee has updated please restart" reboot.

I am going to run MalwareBytes and others to see if the problem can be resolved. However, I need to use another PC to access the web to download MalwareBytes and also speak with McAfee online.

So, I need a temporary AV solution for that PC.


Any suggestions?


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Standard User Stanman_24
(knowledge is power) Mon 29-Oct-12 16:06:39
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use combofix

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Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Oct-12 16:08:02
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I just use Microsoft Security Essentials. It seems to do the job.

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'I have no wisdom,' he told her.
'Your experiences, then?'
'They have been trivial, uninteresting, and full of error.'
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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Oct-12 16:24:51
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Microsoft one should do fine. I would drop McAfee - their foolishness is just wasting your time and causing you to mess about unnecessarily.

If you do not like the idea of the free Microsoft antivirus I can recommend GFI VIPRE antivirus - very fast and efficient and I've never had a single problem with it. However, on my Windows 8 machines I just use the Microsoft one...

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Mon 29-Oct-12 16:51:48
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Can you find a way to download Security Essentials - XP version to a Vista machine so I can then copy it across on a memory stick? I cannot see a way to achieve it.


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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Oct-12 16:54:45
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/security-...

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Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Oct-12 17:10:13
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...or http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx...

The same installer is used for XP/Vista/Win7 - just choose either 32bit or 64-bit.

'Sir, please,' she said ... 'Will you not share your wisdom with us?'
'I have no wisdom,' he told her.
'Your experiences, then?'
'They have been trivial, uninteresting, and full of error.'
Ian M. Banks - Feersum Endjinn
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Edited by micksharpe (Mon 29-Oct-12 17:11:12)

Standard User MHC
(legend) Mon 29-Oct-12 17:19:55
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In reply to a post by Pipexer:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/security-...


I am being very cautious at present with access - using my phone for email. and only using one PC for web access. I don't know if it is a virus/trojan/malware or what or just a McAfee glitch. I want to get that on the problem machines to see what is happening but without connecting them to the web or the local network.


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Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Oct-12 17:23:13
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The MSE installer will want to connect to the Internet. Best to use a stand-alone product.

Plenty of options here.

'Sir, please,' she said ... 'Will you not share your wisdom with us?'
'I have no wisdom,' he told her.
'Your experiences, then?'
'They have been trivial, uninteresting, and full of error.'
Ian M. Banks - Feersum Endjinn
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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 29-Oct-12 17:29:02
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In the first instance use the vipre rescue scanner

http://live.vipreantivirus.com/

This will do a scan in safe mode for any viruses. The downside is it takes a while.

Unless you have downloaded something else that you suspect is a virus I'd have thought it unlikely your machines have become suddenly compromised.

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Mon 29-Oct-12 17:41:03
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In reply to a post by Pipexer:
In the first instance use the vipre rescue scanner

http://live.vipreantivirus.com/

This will do a scan in safe mode for any viruses. The downside is it takes a while.

Unless you have downloaded something else that you suspect is a virus I'd have thought it unlikely your machines have become suddenly compromised.



I know, but want to be sure. Both machines are coming up with McAfee stopped a process trying to cause a Buffer Overload ... which suggests a Trojan, but as the two are used for totally different purposes it would be very co-incidental.

One not booting into the User correctly - and that was the user account where the McAfee update was installed and te second accepting the password and then dropping back to the select user screen. - again where McAfee was installed. Either McAfee installed something odd or it has caused a problem - is my feeling.


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Standard User Deadbeat
(knowledge is power) Mon 29-Oct-12 18:35:05
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If you can gain access to a machine for long enough to download and burn a small ISO, then grab the Kaspersky Rescue CD. You can then boot from the CD, update it's definitions, scan and if necessary, clean the system without ever having to start up in the normal manner.

If you're thinking of transferring MBAM to the afflicted machine, don't forget to grab the latest defs whilst there.
Install MBAM, the defs and run it entirely from within Safe Mode.

As for free AV, it's hardly worth searching about for given some of the ridiculously low prices you see on Amazon etc for full commercial security. However, if you insist on free, give Comodo a go.
Standard User JPL
(member) Tue 30-Oct-12 12:40:54
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For the last year and a half I have been using MSE, but recently read one too many reports of bad performance and have reverted to Kaspersky Internet Security. At a price of £12.99 for 3 PCs for 1 year from Amazon (£4.33 per PC per year), price should not be an issue in selecting your security s/w.

JPL
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 30-Oct-12 13:46:02
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Cost is not really an issue. The reason that I want a free one is that I then do not have to input any personal details - name, address, credit card &c. Until the problems are resolved, I want to take as few chances as possible.


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Standard User flippery
(member) Tue 30-Oct-12 14:24:50
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In reply to a post by JPL:
For the last year and a half I have been using MSE, but recently read one too many reports of bad performance and have reverted to Kaspersky Internet Security. At a price of £12.99 for 3 PCs for 1 year from Amazon (£4.33 per PC per year), price should not be an issue in selecting your security s/w.

JPL

Were the reports independent.
Have had no problems with MSE. In fact it found a couple of Trojans that Comodo missed, I have dumped the comodo as I had major sandbagging problems with execution files.
Also many of the commercial products are memory hogs and slow system.
Standard User Deadbeat
(knowledge is power) Tue 30-Oct-12 20:14:18
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I certainly wouldn't trust MSE as I have seen several compromised machines that were supposedly protected by it. Only today, a friend of a friend brought a laptop to me with MSE for "protection". I would say that iramer and Chifrax have been present for some time but the Pihar.b rootkit along with The Met Police ransomware is what it made fall over yesterday.
The history of the laptop seems to be fairly "normal" - No pirated software, no evidence of porn or other rogue sites, no malicious mails etc etc. I'm pretty certain that an automatically downloaded codec was the original source of the infections.

As for Comodo, you should read the manual.
Standard User Deadbeat
(knowledge is power) Tue 30-Oct-12 20:19:45
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ComboFix should only be used under instruction from someone who knows exactly how to interpret it's reports.
Standard User flippery
(member) Tue 30-Oct-12 22:03:20
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In reply to a post by Deadbeat:
I certainly wouldn't trust MSE as I have seen several compromised machines that were supposedly protected by it. Only today, a friend of a friend brought a laptop to me with MSE for "protection". I would say that iramer and Chifrax have been present for some time but the Pihar.b rootkit along with The Met Police ransomware is what it made fall over yesterday.
The history of the laptop seems to be fairly "normal" - No pirated software, no evidence of porn or other rogue sites, no malicious mails etc etc. I'm pretty certain that an automatically downloaded codec was the original source of the infections.

As for Comodo, you should read the manual.

No Security is 100%
Norton did not dectect Pihar.b
AVG did not detect ransomeware.
ETC.
I have mse and Winpatrol Plus installed on 6 machines. I have not had a known problem with any machine. I can only speak as I find

As for comodo. I have read the manual. It was causing more problems than it was fixing, No Security software should be hard to understand and implement. Jnstall and forget should be the norm,
Standard User Deadbeat
(knowledge is power) Tue 30-Oct-12 23:13:38
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AVG and to some extent, Norton aren't good benchmarks and just because another AV system fails to detect problems that makes it all OK???

I've installed Comodo on probably upwards of a hundred machines and except for a few FP's, never really seen a problem on a machine that's had "normal" use.. I'm not saying it's perfect, but for free protection, it's pretty good. I usually place HJT along with a good initial log for the EU's comparison and install MBAM with instructions for them to be used regularly. The OS and installed programs etc are also carefully configured in order to avoid known problems, exploits etc.
Standard User Deadbeat
(knowledge is power) Tue 30-Oct-12 23:24:29
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Under a fiver a year for malware protection and, especially as ads are becoming a regular means of malware delivery, ad blocking. It's a steal!
Standard User Deadbeat
(knowledge is power) Wed 31-Oct-12 00:32:47
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..... As for comodo. I have read the manual.......

So you missed the section regarding setting levels of sandBOXING?
Standard User MHC
(legend) Wed 31-Oct-12 14:41:37
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After two days of running a machine using MSE as I did not want to risk McAfee, I have finally found time to investigate.

Removed McAfee completely and then re-installed and all problems have disappeared. Very odd, how two machine did the same update and it corrupted both and they are not visible or accessible to each other on the network.

Have run various scans and nothing untoward found.


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Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 31-Oct-12 14:59:20
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I've just run a trial version of Kaspersky AV and it found 3 exploits that MSE has missed. All on uninstalled software, fortunately.

'Sir, please,' she said ... 'Will you not share your wisdom with us?'
'I have no wisdom,' he told her.
'Your experiences, then?'
'They have been trivial, uninteresting, and full of error.'
Ian M. Banks - Feersum Endjinn
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Standard User davidblaine
(newbie) Tue 27-Nov-12 13:58:09
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MSE sucks. I'd recommend you Avira or AVG free edition.
Standard User RiffRaff
(knowledge is power) Tue 27-Nov-12 18:12:47
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Register a current account with Barclays Bank - you don't even need to have a positive balance; £0.00 will suffice - then apply for Kaspersky Internet Security 2012, on a 1 year 3 PC Licence. You can also get Kaspersky Mobile Security 9 on a 1 Device 1 year Licence.

The licence key for KIS 2012 will also work if/when you upgrade, for free, to KIS 2013.

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Pssst; O2's Broadband service has gone downhill fast in 2012, look elsewhere - I am!
Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Tue 27-Nov-12 19:08:44
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Not worth it.
Standard User RiffRaff
(knowledge is power) Wed 28-Nov-12 13:31:47
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Interesting but completely vague comment.

Getting a paid for, comprehensive premium product, for 3 Computers plus a smartphone app, worth from anywhere between £30-£50 combined, completely free, for the time it takes to complete a 5-10 minute online application form is most definetely worth it.

O2 Home Broadband, Phone, Mobile
Pssst; O2's Broadband service has gone downhill fast in 2012, look elsewhere - I am!

Edited by RiffRaff (Wed 28-Nov-12 13:32:50)

Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Wed 28-Nov-12 16:51:44
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Superior completely free alternatives exist. No need to give out personal information.
Standard User RiffRaff
(knowledge is power) Thu 29-Nov-12 08:19:05
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Why not recommend them to the OP then, and let him weigh up the pros and cons of the replies in the thread, rather than just derailing it with vague meaningless comments that have no context.

Barclays are governed by Data Protection just like most others; i've not had any nuisance calls/emails/post as a result of opening a bank account with them, nor has anybody else i've recommended take up the offer.

As for Kaspersky, it repeatedly scores high in independant testing, so its credentials are well in the public domain for all to see. As an example, (from http://www.av-comparatives.org/ ):

http://av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_rem_20121...

Which when placed into context with the fact that KIS is a full suite, not just AV, and in conjunction with the fact you can get 3 PC's worth with a single licence, plus a Smartphone security app, the evidence is compelling (for any benefits to [percieved] negatives ratios).

And for the OP, as always; better to try as many high ranking AV packages (free trials) on their own equipment to see how well they perform/feel.

O2 Home Broadband, Phone, Mobile
Pssst; O2's Broadband service has gone downhill fast in 2012, look elsewhere - I am!

Edited by RiffRaff (Thu 29-Nov-12 08:22:10)

Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Thu 29-Nov-12 09:15:28
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My response wasn't aimed at the OP's 1 month old post.

MSE + Windows Firewall is just as good as any other solution, when combined with software patching, etc. No need to let a 3rd-party get their grubby hands on the Windows kernel!

All AV is cheap these days because it is practically worthless, so the deal isn't amazing as it might look.

BTW, you should look at a superior mobile OS if yours is riddled with malware. Smartphone security app?! Well I never.... wink
Standard User RiffRaff
(knowledge is power) Sat 01-Dec-12 11:08:52
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In reply to a post by Zadeks:
My response wasn't aimed at the OP's 1 month old post.

MSE + Windows Firewall is just as good as any other solution, when combined with software patching, etc. No need to let a 3rd-party get their grubby hands on the Windows kernel!

All AV is cheap these days because it is practically worthless, so the deal isn't amazing as it might look.

BTW, you should look at a superior mobile OS if yours is riddled with malware. Smartphone security app?! Well I never.... wink

My response was to the op, and also to anyone else who reads this thread, whether as a member of this site, or anonymous. Yours on the other hand was to me - and me only - and contained nothing of any relevance; only a vague, narrow minded, meaningless troll comment with no real logic and substance.

Fortunately there is no rule about thread reply time limits; perhaps you should go and create your own forum with that rule since it evidently bothers you so much.

I had already concluded from your first contribution to this thread that you were clearly bored, and trolling, and made no credible points - only vague, meaningless and ignorant comments based on some kind of deep seated paranoia about giving companies personal info, and legitimate security vendors gaining access to core Windows functionality, which as an aside, is actually crucial in fighting the barrage of malware PC's can and are exposed to.

These comments have continued in every successive post by you to the point now, where you made another ill informed comment about a smartphone app - and presumed malware exists on my own mobile devices - when in fact there is no such malware on my devices, and never has been to date, and given mobile device security is, in many ways, the new front in cyber crime, it's no surprise that taking steps to protect ones self in this area is just basic common sense that should be instilled and publicized as often as possible. Otherwise, ignorant and narrow minded views such as yours will proliferate.

In conjunction with the rest of your ill informed post[s], it therefore becomes evident that you can't even distinguish between an AV product, and a full security suite, and the tangible benefits they provide, whether on PC's, or mobile devices - even more so when they are free given they would normally cost money.

On the subject of MSE being 'as good as any other solution', MSE suffers from poor protection levels. This is well documented by independent testing sites such as av-test.org and av-comparatives. In fact this was once again highlighted in testing only a month ago when it suffered a[nother] significant drop off of its protection and repair abilities.

If you don't like Kaspersky [I suspect you've actually never even used it], or Barclays, because of ill informed paranoia etc that's fine, but if you decide to troll a thread/post for no real reason, and make vague ill informed comments, be prepared to have them exposed and countered.

To that end, I see no further need to enter into discussion with you and will not reply to you any longer, but will certainly continue to add posts to threads which take my interest and where I have something to input, which may benefit users looking for a comprehensive security suite, for free, regardless when those threads have been created.

In summary, I would suggest you get some basic reading done, particularly on distinguishing between an AV product and a full security suite and why they need to be embedded so deeply, and get over the ignorant viewpoint that this forum has a rule for time-to-reply in threads, and also on how to not make sweeping, vague, narrow minded & meaningless comments about internet security suites, mobile device security, or certain AV software being 'superior', when independent tests show this not to be the case.

O2 Home Broadband, Phone, Mobile
Pssst; O2's Broadband service has gone downhill fast in 2012, look elsewhere - I am!

Edited by RiffRaff (Sat 01-Dec-12 11:19:32)

Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Sat 01-Dec-12 11:32:39
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It's a discussion forum where people reply to posts. Deal with it.

Secure mobile OS = zero malware. Where is the iOS malware? Oh, that's right, there isn't any because application white-listing works. No need for snake-oil anti-malware product eating battery life.

A security suite with zero benefits. Windows & modern browsers already have all the features a person requires. Let's not install more bloatware on our systems.
y
According to av-test, Avast has 100% 0day detection rate, talk about misleading.

I will never install a bloated snake-oil solution because I don't rely on useless protection.
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