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Standard User samulam
(committed) Mon 17-Aug-15 18:10:24
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Hi, my son just bought a brand new laptop with windows 10 whilst staying at our house. He connected his laptop to our wifi connection. He took his laptop to his flat which is about 15 miles away, to his surprise his machine connected to his wifi without entering his password!! It is disconcerting to think that this is possible. He has Microsoft and Google accounts, but we never thought that either of them will store his wifi name and password. Any ideas for possible explanation.
Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Mon 17-Aug-15 18:42:06
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Same SSID and password?

... or a friend's computer with Windows 10 has logged into the router at the flat and the password has been automatically shared with your son's computer? Doesn't need to be Windows 10, apparently.

Obviously, Microsoft have to store the passwords on their servers and I would imagine that the NSA will have a copy. Location data, SSID and bang, they're in. Enable remote management on the router, install hacked firmware and they can watch everything that happens via that router.

Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him. -- Groucho Marx

Edited by micksharpe (Mon 17-Aug-15 19:09:17)

Standard User samulam
(committed) Mon 17-Aug-15 21:20:54
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I don't follow what happened. My son spent all week/end using his brand new laptop connected to my wifi. Then on Monday morning he went home and connected to his wifi and to his surprise his laptop connected automatically without entering his password !! It is sinister !!!


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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Mon 17-Aug-15 21:29:30
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What computers has he used at his flat, and what version of windows is used?

You're right. It is sinister... and very convenient for the security services. Routers are very weakly protected devices and yet every wi-fi enabled device in a house uses them. Compromise the router and you compromise everything.

Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him. -- Groucho Marx

Edited by micksharpe (Mon 17-Aug-15 21:34:49)

Standard User radar
(learned) Mon 17-Aug-15 22:25:19
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In reply to a post by samulam:
Hi, my son just bought a brand new laptop with windows 10 whilst staying at our house. He connected his laptop to our wifi connection. He took his laptop to his flat which is about 15 miles away, to his surprise his machine connected to his wifi without entering his password!! It is disconcerting to think that this is possible. He has Microsoft and Google accounts, but we never thought that either of them will store his wifi name and password. Any ideas for possible explanation.


Have you got another laptop in the house running windows 10 that you have used at your sons house ? there is a feature on windows 10 that shares the passwords with other win 10 machines on same network.

Read here :-

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/07/01/windows-...

Dave

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Standard User iand
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 18-Aug-15 19:06:51
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it could be that the other place has public wifi enabled and hence there is a default set for windows to use public wifi.


The only way to verify is to check what wifi the laptop was connected to in the other house.

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Standard User gomezz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 18-Aug-15 23:47:40
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Such as if both locations have BT broadband with BTOpenzone enabled.

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Standard User samulam
(committed) Wed 19-Aug-15 20:18:44
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Hi you are right. My son did have an old laptop which he upgraded to Win 10 for few days which he discarded due to hard disk failure, so he bought a new laptop and this new laptop was connected to his wifi without forwarding his password!!
Many thanks for your response.
Standard User OCdragon
(experienced) Thu 20-Aug-15 10:39:28
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Not meant to hijack this post, but can you disable this weird Windows 10's wireless connection feature so that it will be just like a plain old Windows 7 wireless authendication feature by using SSID and Password only???

Thanks

Intel E4300 OC with 2GB RAMs,Speedtouch 585 Modem/Router and Windows 7 Pro !
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Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Thu 20-Aug-15 10:41:27
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If you must
Standard User samulam
(committed) Thu 20-Aug-15 16:57:33
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I think the answer is yes. According to my son he contacted Virgin, his service provider and asked to revert back to the previous procedure of logging on. I am not sure what they did. But he reconnected to his WIFI following the usual way by entering his password.
Standard User OCdragon
(experienced) Fri 21-Aug-15 10:41:19
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Thank you for your reply! Your son's ISP, VM in this case, must have told your son HOW to re-configure his concerned PC (with Windows 10 installed now) to disable WiFi "sharing or similar" such that he could revert back to the normal WiFi logging in by using his SSID and Password as key.

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Standard User keith969
(newbie) Fri 21-Aug-15 13:38:14
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That does seem rather strange, but then so is Windows 10.

If I connect to a wireless network on my Macbook Pro, it remembers it (you can manage this and tell it to forget networks). Then if I go somewhere else and set up a different wifi access, when I come back it remembers the first network... however if he'd never been to his flat with the new PC then I would not expect it to be able to connect without a password. That seems a security hazard to me.
Standard User Adduxi
(newbie) Fri 21-Aug-15 14:43:51
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In reply to a post by OCdragon:
Not meant to hijack this post, but can you disable this weird Windows 10's wireless connection feature so that it will be just like a plain old Windows 7 wireless authendication feature by using SSID and Password only???

Thanks


O&O Software have released a freeware tool to check/change these privacy concerns, without having to trawl all through a mass of dialogue boxes.

http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Cheers !
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