Sky fibre in non-LLU exchanges

It is well known that Sky ADSL is very slow in exchanges without Sky LLU.

Is the same true for Sky fibre in exchanges where Sky has no LLU presence?

Edited by Oliver341 (Fri 27-Dec-13 23:32:17)

I may be wrong but have you not stated the same thing on each line?

that said. On a non LLU exchange, SHY have to buy the service from someone else (BT wholesale) and may run that to a limit that uses all of the service up!! (this may be a good service nor not so good depending on the number of users on that exchange). On an exchange that they have a direct LLU service themselves, then they may run that at a level that is zippy and fast!!!. For me on ADSL LLU and now SKY FTTC I did not have any performance problems

In reply to a post by iand:

I may be wrong but have you not stated the same thing on each line?

Nope, first line was a statement, second line was a question. First line was about ADSL, second line was about VDSL.

In reply to a post by iand:

that said. On a non LLU exchange, SHY have to buy the service from someone else (BT wholesale) and may run that to a limit that uses all of the service up!! (this may be a good service nor not so good depending on the number of users on that exchange). On an exchange that they have a direct LLU service themselves, then they may run that at a level that is zippy and fast!!!. For me on ADSL LLU and now SKY FTTC I did not have any performance problems

Your post suggests that Sky fibre on exchanges that Sky have LLU'ed is faster that Sky fibre on exchanges that is not. That's what I suspect too.

Perhaps what I'm wondering is whether Sky can install their own backhaul from an exchange which they haven't LLU'ed for the purposes of providing faster speeds on Sky fibre, or whether they can only install backhaul on an exchange which has a Sky LLU presence on ADSL.

Sky were only offering Sky Fibre on SOME of the LLU enabled exchanges... has this changed?

Sky Fibre wasn't available at any exchange where there is no Sky LLU and was reliant on Sky buying a GEA cable link.

Do Sky now offer Fibre on non-LLU exchanges?

For FTTC , backhaul is only required at the handover sites, not every FTTC enabled exchange. A handover site may cater for 6 or more FTTC exchange areas.

Interesting.

How do you find out which exchanges are handover sites?

... I probably should get the login details for Openreach from work at some point to have a look...

Last I knew was that you didn't even find out what cabinets were connected until you purchased a GEA cable link to the switch and it went live, and there might be a choice of switches if the exchange is large.

In reply to a post by 5km:

Do Sky now offer Fibre on non-LLU exchanges?

I don't know, but I guess if they don't then that answers my question.

You can get sky fibre at SOME exchanges without LLU. Those who have it haven't suggested there are any issues. How it works not sure.

I guess CPs buying FTTC from Openreach have that info available .

I'm working tomorrow so I'll get the login details and have a look ... if I get the time.

They could, see my previous reply. Sky would only require a presence at the handover sites, not every FTTC exchange

In reply to a post by Ribble:

They could, see my previous reply. Sky would only require a presence at the handover sites, not every FTTC exchange

So would it be your understanding that all Sky fibre operates over Sky backhaul and as such will not suffer the same fate as WBC-based Sky at non Sky LLU exchanges?

I kind of assumed sky used their own backhaul for FTTC, but I cannot be 100%

Sky signed a deal with VM to use VM's backhaul

UK fixed line operator BSkyB has signed a £49m backhaul network capacity deal with wholesale provider Virgin Media Business. Under the terms of the contract, Virgin Media Business� network will connect around a third of Sky�s unbundled local exchanges with Sky�s own wholly owned nationwide broadband network.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Sky signed a deal with VM to use VM's backhaul

UK fixed line operator BSkyB has signed a £49m backhaul network capacity deal with wholesale provider Virgin Media Business. Under the terms of the contract, Virgin Media Business� network will connect around a third of Sky�s unbundled local exchanges with Sky�s own wholly owned nationwide broadband network.

Interesting wording there.

"Virgin Media Business� network will connect around a third of Sky�s unbundled local exchanges with Sky�s own wholly owned nationwide broadband network".

It makes you wonder how a third of Sky's unbundled local exchanges were previously connected to Sky�s own wholly owned nationwide broadband network, since this deal was only signed in May 2013.

I think it was to increase existing capacity rather than new connections

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

I think it was to increase existing capacity rather than new connections

Yeah, makes sense. Interesting that they chose this route rather than increase capacity on their own network though.

I think it's just part of ongoing upgrades http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2012/01/10/sky-broa...

They used openreach circuits but are now going to use Virgin provided circuits instead