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Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Sun 20-Feb-11 22:57:55
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talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


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ive currently been with sky years and this is my router status


ADSL Firmware Version A2pD030i.d22k
Modem Status ADSL Link Up
DownStream Connection Speed 10239
UpStream Connection Speed 848
VPI 0
VCI

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 10239 kbps 848 kbps
Line Attenuation 37.0db 21.9db
Noise Margin 3.6db 7.0db .

I am currently thinking about moving to talk talk llu. I surf loads and play playstation online. i currently sycn as above but always get about 8 meg down. what u guys think about moving to talktalk LLU.

let me know cheers
Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Sun 20-Feb-11 23:14:46
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
What's the reason behind you thinking of it? Are you dissatisfied with Sky?

You're already on LLU, aren't you? So you won't see any diff except their DLMs.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU BB => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU BB
Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Sun 20-Feb-11 23:27:59
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
am i already on LLU ?


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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Sun 20-Feb-11 23:37:33
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
Almost certainly if you are getting more than 8 Meg connection speed. What your Sky BB package called?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU BB => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU BB
Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Sun 20-Feb-11 23:43:26
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
not sure my mum the account owner, she aint got a clue about computers tho.
Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Mon 21-Feb-11 00:22:59
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


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Anymore ideas. What I need to look at on the sky bill ? Any more opinions ?
Standard User Kaoshan
(committed) Mon 21-Feb-11 07:08:12
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
As XRaySpeX suggests you already seem to be on LLU. If so, you will be unlikely to benefit from moving to TT.

You obviously know how to access your router stats... what does is say for ADSL Operation Mode?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Mon 21-Feb-11 09:30:51
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
What's the reason behind you thinking of it? Are you dissatisfied with Sky?

You're already on LLU, aren't you? So you won't see any diff except their DLMs.


Oh yes he will! Unlike $ky, talktalk can switch off interleaving COMPLETELY (unlike $ky's gaming profile where interleaving is still switched on, albeit on the min setting).

OP, as you won't be using P2P then you will find Talktalk brilliant. I get superb gaming pings (average 15ms), no problems using rapidshare, megaupload, video streaming sites etc. Oh and they're cheap as chips as well smile

As for support (eg to get interleaving and DLM switched off) register on talktalk forums and put the request on there...they'll do that for you, no questions asked. Actually i would put their web support on a par with the likes of AAISP, Zen, Goscomb, IDNET support staff etc. Their forum support staff are very technically minded...shame that the same can't be said about their phone support team.

<gets ready to dodge bullets>

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17066 / 1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.2 db down / 12.8db up
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Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Feb-11 09:48:36
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
When interleaving depth of 8 downstream and 4 upstream is applied, the effects of it are very minimal. Most standard connections come with 32 downstream and 16 upstream.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Feb-11 10:12:50
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
You're already getting above 8128kbps sync so this is obviously LLU. If you wasn't on LLU, you'd be paying more for your broadband on the Connect package, receive only 448kbps upstream and 8128kbps downstream. Sky don't do adsl2+ over BTs network.

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AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-Feb-11 13:24:23
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


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In reply to a post by krazykizza:
Sky don't do adsl2+ over BTs network.
Yes, that was my "Almost certainly" get-out in my reply, as I didn't think Sky did WBC.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU BB => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU BB
Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Mon 21-Feb-11 14:43:39
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: Kaoshan] [link to this post]
 
As far as I an aware. I am sky 10meg service. I don't think it's LLU. I will check the sky bill later. I am on PPPOE. don't think that LLU or am I wrong?
Standard User Cobra001
(committed) Mon 21-Feb-11 15:29:01
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
wrong there.

I am fastpath and my pings are as low as 9 most of the time but arround 11-12 at worst.

Also Talktalk LLU does have its limits, just look at the TC sky llu is the only true unlimited package left.
Standard User undecidedadrian
(learned) Mon 21-Feb-11 15:46:44
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
You are on Sky LLU as you are getting over 8 meg/sec

There is one issue though you speed is looking about right for a 37dB attenuation, but your noise ratio is 3.6dB. Sky runs at a 7dB profile so I think you may have a small wiring problem somewhere as you should be seeing that speed with a 7dB noise margin.

Also if you go to Talk Talk you will need to take out their phone line as well, which your mum may not want to do.
Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Feb-11 15:55:48
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
They'd be more complaints if they did!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Feb-11 15:56:36
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: undecidedadrian] [link to this post]
 
mummy knows best wink

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User krazykizza
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Feb-11 16:20:00
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
Sky don't do a 10meg service, it's 20meg or 8meg. But you're on the 20meg LLU package. The type of of network doesn't matter as both PPPoA and PPPoE can be used for LLU, it's still DSL.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
AOL > Virgin Media > Tiscali > Falconnet > UKFSN > Norfolk Internet
2mbps > Shapped 512k > 1mbps! > 6.5mbps > 4.5mbps > 6.5mbps
ADSL Joy. 31db att, 9db SNR, EntaFail.
Standard User Lemzip
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 21-Feb-11 16:20:31
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
you wrong.

Sky dont do a 10mbit connection, they do the up to LLU product and connect which is based on bt equipment and cannot go about 8128kbps.

By you being above that speed you are on LLU, its impossible on skys connect system to get above this.

So yes, you are on LLU already and if your telly, talk and broadband are with sky, you will be hard pushed to find a better price and a better allowance, TT cannot compete if you have all 3 services with Sky

Edited by Lemzip (Mon 21-Feb-11 16:21:09)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-Feb-11 16:53:13
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
So the upshot is that you are on Sky's "up to 20 Meg" LLU service (5 posters have confirmed that) and you are getting 10 Meg, about par for your attenuation.

So, unless you have some reason for leaving which you haven't told us, you will not benefit from going to TT and will possibly lose out by having your usage limited and by locking your line to TT. Would the account holder want to do that?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU BB => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU BB
Standard User Fenris
(experienced) Mon 21-Feb-11 20:42:43
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
I'd stay with Sky, no point changing.

Virgin>freeserve>BTBroadband>ndo>plusnet>IDNet>ZeN>NEWNET>entanet[ukfsn]>>>>>TalkTalk LLU
Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Mon 21-Feb-11 21:43:55
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[re: Fenris] [link to this post]
 
Just phoned sky and I am on there sky broadband unlimited package which is up to 20 meg services . Because my line I get about 10 meg. Think I prolly stick with sky. Cheers all
Standard User devil_uk
(newbie) Mon 21-Feb-11 21:49:41
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[re: krazykizza] [link to this post]
 
Just spoken to sky and they sed I am on there sky unlimited package. Which is 20 meg but because my line distance I only get 10 meg. Think I just stick with sky as never had problems and I thought talk talk was cheaper but there not. So sticking with sky. Thanks all
Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-Feb-11 21:53:09
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
Told ya!

Good! You're welcome. smile

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU BB => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU BB
Standard User Gene_Genie
(newbie) Tue 22-Feb-11 09:41:11
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Re: talktalk LLU vs sky broadband 10meg


[re: devil_uk] [link to this post]
 
TT are half price for 12months, for new customers, if you sign up on line before 07/03/2011.

https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/products/broadband/?por...
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