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Standard User acpsd775
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 12:14:07
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: Myth] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Myth:
Also us wanted to add, while this discussion is interesting, rest assured that the BT man
will do anything necessary to provide that line (unless the pole is unsafe to climb up for instance) as part of the job.

It might be worth mentioning the possible extra attenuation you are suffering with, as he might see an obvious problem (in that black tubing for instance) that is easy to fix. I think I'm right in saying attenuation spikes are most likely where two metals meet


these are my side by side comparison stats

Talktalk stats

Mode
Routing
ADSL Mode ADSL2+
ADSL Type Annex A
Status Up

Downstream Upstream
Rate(Kbps) 9121 871

SNR Margin(dB) 12.0 12.2
Attenuation(dB) 21.4 40.0
Output Power(dBm) 0 12

Super Frames 2995 2996
RS Correctable Errors 17 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors 0 0

HEC Errors 0 0
Total Cells 3743 1572
Data Cells 3743 1572
Bit Errors 0 0

Sky stats

System Up Time: 78:36:18
Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 62424 89001 0 5703752 111953449 19:13:13
LAN Down 0 0 0 0 0 78:36:18
WLAN Up 379450 244311 0 352395503 49615429 78:35:59
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 8768 kbps 796 kbps
Line Attenuation 37.5 dB 20.5 dB
Noise Margin 6.9 dB 12.0 dB

has the talk talk router got the Attenuation backwards because on my sky router the upsteam is half the downstream but on the talk talk route is seams the down streams half the upstream.

Also i some how doubt my down stream atten is 21 that would insinuate im about 1.5KM from the exchange on sam knows it says You are approximately 1.22km from the exchange. Note that this is the straight line distance - the actual cable length will be longer!

and if this line takes the same route as the sky one dose wich i presume it will do yea i know it might be a diff cable of course but im presuming it go's t the same cab at least ang acording to google maps see link and the length of the route the skyline and i presuming the talktalk line is a minimum of 1.92KM walkin distance so cable will be longer unless its supriced me took a total diff rout and go's some were else but i doubt it i think thats the only cab anyhing near me. so confused now lol

Ash

Sky + TalkTalk
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2004: Blueyonder 256k/512k => 2006: Blueyonder 2Meg => 2009 Virgin Media 10Meg => 2009/10 Virgin Media 50Meg => 21/04/2011 sky Unlimited 11167 kbps D / 910kbps U(current) 30/9/11 Virgin Media 100Meg(disconnected15/12/11) =>17/11/11 Talktalk to be updated

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 12:43:14
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: acpsd775] [link to this post]
 
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Downstream Upstream
Rate(Kbps) 9121 871

SNR Margin(dB) 12.0 12.2
Attenuation(dB) 21.4 40.0
Output Power(dBm) 0 12


Yeah looks like the Talktalk router has got the attenuation the wrong way round. Also i suggest you register on the TT forums (if not already done) and ask to be put on a "24FSNR6" profile - this will lower your downstream SNR to 6db and also put you on a fastpath profile. Your sync speed should increase by a few megabits.

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Standard User acpsd775
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 12:49:07
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by acpsd775:
Downstream Upstream
Rate(Kbps) 9121 871

SNR Margin(dB) 12.0 12.2
Attenuation(dB) 21.4 40.0
Output Power(dBm) 0 12


Yeah looks like the Talktalk router has got the attenuation the wrong way round. Also i suggest you register on the TT forums (if not already done) and ask to be put on a "24FSNR6" profile - this will lower your downstream SNR to 6db and also put you on a fastpath profile. Your sync speed should increase by a few megabits.


ive started that i just send my accoun/PN to the contact us it says ive goto do that b4 i can register

I did say on here though it would be my luck for this line to be worse than my sky line stat wise lol the ironical thing is the talktalks faster, Although i think that's the dodgy sky router causing that when i used to have my belkin N1 in it was 9.5 and just under 11 after using DMT tools but it broke so had to plug sky 1 back in lol i supose im doomed to have nealy all my neighbours on faster ADSL speeds than me haha

Ash

Sky + TalkTalk
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2004: Blueyonder 256k/512k => 2006: Blueyonder 2Meg => 2009 Virgin Media 10Meg => 2009/10 Virgin Media 50Meg => 21/04/2011 sky Unlimited 11167 kbps D / 910kbps U(current) 30/9/11 Virgin Media 100Meg(disconnected15/12/11) =>17/11/11 Talktalk to be updated

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Edited by acpsd775 (Fri 18-Nov-11 12:52:02)


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ISP Representative TALKTALK_SUPPORT
(isp) Fri 18-Nov-11 14:43:23
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: acpsd775] [link to this post]
 
HI Ash,

The Contact us Inbox is reletively upto date so you should have a reply to the form you submitted shortly.

Once registered if you post in the BB sections we can address the profile change request and any other issues you may have.

Regards

Mark
TalkTalk Online Community Department

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www.talktalkmembers.co.uk/forums
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to assist in the resolution of any queries our customers may have. Should you
have a specific request for information please do not hesitate to contact me."
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Standard User acpsd775
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 15:47:57
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: TALKTALK_SUPPORT] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by TALKTALK_SUPPORT:
HI Ash,

The Contact us Inbox is reletively upto date so you should have a reply to the form you submitted shortly.

Once registered if you post in the BB sections we can address the profile change request and any other issues you may have.

Regards

Mark
TalkTalk Online Community Department


just got my confirm back and now registered just posting now

Sky + TalkTalk
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2004: Blueyonder 256k/512k => 2006: Blueyonder 2Meg => 2009 Virgin Media 10Meg => 2009/10 Virgin Media 50Meg => 21/04/2011 sky Unlimited 11167 kbps D / 910kbps U(current) 30/9/11 Virgin Media 100Meg(disconnected15/12/11) =>17/11/11 Talktalk to be updated

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Standard User acpsd775
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 16:59:38
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: Myth] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Myth:
when i had an engineer out in 2004 he found a place in the wire just before it entered the house where it had kinda rusted. I think because of the age of the wire he replaced the whole wire from the pole.
Seems like alot of extra work to go through just to fix a break, but maybe this was policy with certain age wires etc. Thinking back I think this wire was just a twin core like bell wire, so that might have been the reason also.

Previously had a 2nd line in another house and the engineer lady just added to the master socket (wasnt nte5), because there was an available 2nd pair. Broadband didn't exist then though so I don't think she had to do many tests on the wire to see if it was viable.

So I think NTE5 access is necessary, yes


going back on the convo a bit here but just thought id let ya know theyve used diff cable in the new line its more like what was in the 70s line they really ought to start using the same cable in all lines lol

Line 1
Line 2

Ash

Sky + TalkTalk
-------------------------------------------------------------
2004: Blueyonder 256k/512k => 2006: Blueyonder 2Meg => 2009 Virgin Media 10Meg => 2009/10 Virgin Media 50Meg => 21/04/2011 sky Unlimited 11167 kbps D / 910kbps U(current) 30/9/11 Virgin Media 100Meg(disconnected15/12/11) =>17/11/11 Talktalk to be updated

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Standard User Myth
(member) Fri 18-Nov-11 17:03:00
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: burakkucat] [link to this post]
 
burakkucat could maybe explain why they are different. But those are the wires I was expecting lol

In theory, theory and practice are identical.....in practice they aren't!
Standard User acpsd775
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 17:31:07
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: Myth] [link to this post]
 
yea TBH when i first saw the wiring in the first socket i always thought im sure the old 1 had more cables and more colours but then i thought well considering the original socket was from the 70s and with BT, That maybe new cables were diff and maybe something to do with it been a wholesale open reach line and never thought anything about it again. Well
till needing the second line that is, Then when i looked in the new one today with that cabling i was like well that's taking a bit of the p**s its like old one now how confusing lol

i did tell you it was my luck that the new one would be worse didn't i lol the attens 2 higher on this 1 so im presuming its even longer than the firsts lol

Ash

Sky + TalkTalk
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2004: Blueyonder 256k/512k => 2006: Blueyonder 2Meg => 2009 Virgin Media 10Meg => 2009/10 Virgin Media 50Meg => 21/04/2011 sky Unlimited 11167 kbps D / 910kbps U(current) 30/9/11 Virgin Media 100Meg(disconnected15/12/11) =>17/11/11 Talktalk to be updated

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Standard User Myth
(member) Fri 18-Nov-11 17:41:20
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: acpsd775] [link to this post]
 
your sky stats dont say the ADSL mode it is connecting with.

ADSL2+ will add 3db to the attenuation of g.DMT, and sky could be using g.DMT as it's DSL mode

In theory, theory and practice are identical.....in practice they aren't!
Standard User acpsd775
(committed) Fri 18-Nov-11 17:46:51
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Re: New lines TalkTalk (openreach question)


[re: Myth] [link to this post]
 
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your sky stats dont say the ADSL mode it is connecting with.

ADSL2+ will add 3db to the attenuation of g.DMT, and sky could be using g.DMT as it's DSL mode


They use ADSL2/+ The sky router auto connects to ADSL2+ from what ive read anyway. Also when i used to use my belkin N1 b4 is broke i always forced it onto ADSL2+ and the atten was exactly same well the belkin shows 37 were as the sky shows 37.5 that's the only diff.

Ash

Sky + TalkTalk
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2004: Blueyonder 256k/512k => 2006: Blueyonder 2Meg => 2009 Virgin Media 10Meg => 2009/10 Virgin Media 50Meg => 21/04/2011 sky Unlimited 11167 kbps D / 910kbps U(current) 30/9/11 Virgin Media 100Meg(disconnected15/12/11) =>17/11/11 Talktalk to be updated

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