Switch to TalkTalk ADSL2+ up to 14mb only now ?

Hi Guys/Gals,

First post in here so HELLOOOOO, it really seems THE place to discuss broadband in the UK.

Ive been a happy Sky LLU customer for the last 3yrs and before that UKOline for a couple of years before that. But i'm considering a move to TT.
However I notice that thier non fibre offering is adverstised as upto 14mb now ??
is this correct ? It used to be upto 24mb !!!!!!!!!!

My line with a Billion 7402nx router with attenuation of ~30db syncs at around 16100/1100.
Which leads me on to a few more querys....

1) I needed a new router to give me 5ghz wireless, so I got a Netgear 3800. This requires a 3rd party ADSL modem, so I got a Draytek 120.
The Draytek only syncs at 15500/920 only due to chipset mismatch with Skys equiptment.
I'm not on the Sky SVBN so still connected to the original DSLAM which is Conexant/Globespan IIRC - matching the Billion (The Billion 7402nx sadly wont do a PPPoA to PPPoE bridge that my Netgear 3800 needs)
Am I right that the TT use the same chipset as the Draytek 120 so it may be a better match ?

2) Can your line on TT be manually setup with DLM disabled easily ???
I'd like just to go straight onto a 6db profile with 8ms Interleave delay, honestly how hard/much effort will be required to get that sorted ? I really dont want to spend hours on the phone, or be left with a slower speed than what I get with Sky and I know my line is capable of.

3) As and when my exchange goes Fibre (RFS sept 2012) is the TT Fibre product as good as Sky/BT's ????

Thanks for reading and hoe someone can help me with my queries.
(I'm also considering a move to one of the C&W resellers as they TT and SKY are the only LLU providers on my exchange, but thats another topic altogether)

p.s I use my line for alot online streaming of Iplayers, Youtube, netflix, BF3 gaming, and quite abit of Netload/Rapidshare downloading (~500gb pm). I dont really p2p.

When I ordered a few weeks ago, The site also told be up to 14mb but it also said i will be able to connect as fast as my line will go.

Im sure thats a "boost" tho. There is an online chat you can use to confirm.

Im connected at the full 24mb and get downloads of 2.5mb

Your modem/router needs an Infineon chipset. I think thats what yours has.

As for getting a profile change. Its easy as long as you ask for it via the talktalkmembers forum. here: www.talktalkmembers.co.uk Once your connection is live just register there and post in the broadband support section and ask for the 6db interleaved profile.

New Ofcom guidelines to advertise only what majority can get.

You might get more; you might get less!

1) yes the draytek 120 v2 is a excellent choice....it uses an Infineon chipset. I'm using one connected to linksys ea4500 router and it's rock solid. It syncs at 18.3 meg on a 29db attenuation line, no reason why you can't get the same. You'll definitely be put on a up to 24 meg service.
2) yes you can have dlm switched off & put on a 6db fast path profile via the forums. I had both of these requests fulfilled within 2 hours of going live

3) I've read many good reviews on tt's fibre offering on their forums, pretty sure you won't be disappointed.

Edited by deleted (Sun 19-Aug-12 08:48:35)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

You might get more; you might get less!

I hope this doesn't mean ISPs start locking their maximum speed to the advertised value. There seems to be little point for them to give speed above the advertised value.

Impossible!

90% of customers get < 14 Meg.
Advertise 14 Meg -> Lock to 14 Meg.

Now 90% of customers get < 11 Meg.
So advertise 11 Meg -> Lock to 11 Meg.

Now 90% of customers get < 9 Meg.
So advertise 9 Meg -> Lock to 9 Meg.

...

Tends to 0 Meg

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sun 19-Aug-12 14:47:02)

Agreed, but it is not a majority figure.

Only 10% need to be able to get or exceed the advertised speed.

Ah, OK! I wasn't sure of the %age or its direction but the principle is the same.

Now edited to reflect.

Thanks for the replies

Im particulary attracted to the fact you can register on the forums and get your line setup (what appears to be quite easily), instead of having to ring up and jump through hoops like on Sky.

Ive been very happy on Sky and as most people know their LLU service is rock solid same speed/pings 24/7, but the im drawing tired of no offical support for 3rd party routers and with the anticipation of Fibre in the next few months i want to be able to use my own router easily and not be tied to having to run DD-WRT firmware (with a startup script), which is still quite buggy on my Netgear 3800.

That and im annoyed that Sky's so called unlimited no shaped service (there big selling point), isnt exactly true given that they are now blocking access to several file hosting sites inc netload where i cant even access my own legit files ive stored there.
However TT is probably blocking the same sites now i think.

Ok so just to clarify do TT offer an 8ms Interleave delay on their 6db profile ??
I only ask as I recall with UKO when i tried fastpath my line was all over place in the evenings, but 8ms interleave is fine at ~16mb which is about what my line usually syncs at.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

90% of customers get < 14 Meg.
Advertise 14 Meg -> Lock to 14 Meg.

Now 90% of customers get < 11 Meg.
So advertise 11 Meg -> Lock to 11 Meg.

I don't follow. As 10% get 14 meg, even when their speed is locked to 14 meg, Talktalk would be able to advertise 14 meg.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Impossible!

90% of customers get < 14 Meg.
Advertise 14 Meg -> Lock to 14 Meg.

Now 90% of customers get < 11 Meg.
So advertise 11 Meg -> Lock to 11 Meg.

Now 90% of customers get < 9 Meg.
So advertise 9 Meg -> Lock to 9 Meg.

...

Tends to 0 Meg

I don't follow this logic? It would explain why there's not a cap though. Perhaps I'm being dumb about it

Why does the speed drop each time?

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 19-Aug-12 21:18:11)

With the exception of p2p, talktalk does not block or throttle any other protocols. Netload, rapidshare, hotfile etc downloads work fine. I use my talktalk connection now and again for gaming and great pings ~15 ms on fast path so you won't have any problems. And Yeah you can freely use any router on talktalk

Ok thanks.

I think TT are also using the IWF proxy filter (like SKY and BT) which is causing problems for Netload premuim users.... but i'm not too bothered about that.
My biggest reason for wanting to switch are direct access to line tweaking in the forum and ability to easily use own router,

I'd just like to know if TT offer a SNR 6db 8ms Interleaved profile ?, i'm aware of the fastpath one, but from my UKO days fastpath and my line at ~16mb didn't mix very well.

It's easy to bypass the IWF filter, have a look here for some suggestions (eg edit your win hosts file)
http://talktalkmembers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5...

Talktalk offer both 6db interleaved & 6db fastpath profiles, you can chop and change between the 2 freely. However bear in mind that interleaved profiles sync about 0.5 meg higher than a fastpath profile.

Cool, i'll go for a 6db with 8ms interleaved then as i'm happy with pings/stabiltiy like this on SKY.

Afaik the editing of hosts file doesn't work to bypass the current IWF filtering via proxy.
Access to the netload website isn't blocked, its when you try to start a premium download the problem you get a message "access denied"

In reply to a post by slickric21:

Access to the netload website isn't blocked, its when you try to start a premium download the problem you get a message "access denied"

Having tons of users coming from one IP address tends to scare hosts, and sometimes they shut the door.

http://letitbit.net/ is suffering the same consequences, looks like it's firewalled at letibit's end judging from Sky's proxy timeout message.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Talktalk offer both 6db interleaved & 6db fastpath profiles,

Is it possible to have the Interleave depth changed on TT ?
If not what is the standard Interleave delay they use ?

As mentioned before I'm looking to be on interleaved, but would want to Max delays reduced to the lowest setting eg 8ms..... I cant find reference anywhere that TT do this.
I'm pretty sure fastpath would be unstable for me as it was in the past.

In reply to a post by slickric21:

Is it possible to have the Interleave depth changed on TT ?
If not what is the standard Interleave delay they use ?

No idea, but i will find out and get back to you

Okay in my other thread i've concluded that a C&W and CPW reseller packages are out of the question for me.

So i've got my MAC from Sky and i'm tempted to migrate to TT now.

I've been led to believe (by a very helpful forum member) that TT have a 30day cooling off period, where if your unhappy you can get out.

Thing is if i migrate to TT on there Plus package, am I right in thinking that you need to go the full LLU route ?

If So how to i go back to Sky then if thats the case.

Yes adsl2+ broadband directly from TT is full LLU - resellers do provide partial LLU but that�s generally more expensive although with monthly contracts there is more flexibility.

Just got off the phone from TT sales.

Basically they are saying that their 'Essentials' product is now unlimited like their 'Plus' service.
Which is nice as its £3.25pm fro 12mths, then £6.50pm after.

With 'Plus' the broadband is the same (unlimited) you just get the extras......security, the Lovefilm extras, and the free calls etc etc.

So atm on Sky i pay £7.50 for broadband and £12.25 line rental = £19.75pm
With TT it could be £3.25 and £9.50 line rental = £12.75pm

They said that you cannot leave once the service goes live, you'd need to buy out your contract at £8pm, which in on 18mth'er could be up to £144.

In reply to a post by slickric21:

They said that you cannot leave once the service goes live, you'd need to buy out your contract at £8pm, which in on 18mth'er could be up to £144.

So the cooling off period is only up to the point when you go live?

In reply to a post by slickric21:

Just got off the phone from TT sales.

Basically they are saying that their 'Essentials' product is now unlimited like their 'Plus' service.
Which is nice as its £3.25pm fro 12mths, then £6.50pm after.

With 'Plus' the broadband is the same (unlimited) you just get the extras......security, the Lovefilm extras, and the free calls etc etc.

So atm on Sky i pay £7.50 for broadband and £12.25 line rental = £19.75pm
With TT it could be £3.25 and £9.50 line rental = £12.75pm

They said that you cannot leave once the service goes live, you'd need to buy out your contract at £8pm, which in on 18mth'er could be up to £144.

I thought it was a 12 month contract (could be wrong)

At the end of your contract you can call the "retention team" and haggle with them, i am on Essentials and have free local phone calls 24/7 and i am only paying £3 per month (line rental at standard price)

I am out of contract at the moment, i will stay on a rolling one for the time being as it gives me the opportunity to haggle in the future.

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In reply to a post by slickric21:

Basically they are saying that their 'Essentials' product is now unlimited like their 'Plus' service.
Which is nice as its £3.25pm fro 12mths, then £6.50pm after.

http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forums/showpost.php?p...

Unlimited forever? Not sure.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by slickric21:

Basically they are saying that their 'Essentials' product is now unlimited like their 'Plus' service.
Which is nice as its £3.25pm fro 12mths, then £6.50pm after.

http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forums/showpost.php?p...

Unlimited forever? Not sure.

I recently noticed my essentials package has changed from 40GB to unlimited however they have added this as a warning.

* Unlimited Broadband TalkTalk slows down non-time critical peer to peer file sharing at peak times, to ensure the best internet experience for all of our customers. Promotional unlimited download allowance is subject to availability and maybe withdrawn at any time. Fair usage policy applies to unlimited download allowance. Please visit talktalk.co.uk/fairusage for more details.

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

I recently noticed my essentials package has changed from 40GB to unlimited however they have added this as a warning.

* Unlimited Broadband TalkTalk slows down non-time critical peer to peer file sharing at peak times, to ensure the best internet experience for all of our customers. Promotional unlimited download allowance is subject to availability and maybe withdrawn at any time. Fair usage policy applies to unlimited download allowance. Please visit talktalk.co.uk/fairusage for more details.

Yeah. I can't see them pulling it for customers within a minimum term without getting into trouble, but judging by posts from staff on their forum it's a free boost "until further notice".