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Standard User rian
(member) Wed 21-Nov-12 20:57:41
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Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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Anyone got TT FTTC? I would like to know how good the connection in reality?

Stable? Fast?
Standard User wayneandleanne
(newbie) Wed 21-Nov-12 21:05:37
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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Seems very fast

http://speedtest.net/result/2321919447.png

and so far so good

Edited by wayneandleanne (Wed 21-Nov-12 21:07:55)

Standard User rian
(member) Wed 21-Nov-12 22:20:03
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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Wow, it is fast, thanks you a lot.

But, what about BBCiPlayer or other video streaming service?

Are they running OK at peak times?


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Standard User wayneandleanne
(newbie) Thu 22-Nov-12 08:06:59
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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It's fine, bbc iplayer runs fine
Standard User archy121
(learned) Wed 05-Dec-12 15:39:13
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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I have signed up to TT FTTC & go live on 18th. @SKYPORT

I have become a little unsure with decision after hearing some complaints.

I would also appreciate some more feedback on speed & network up times.

Any issues streaming LoveFilm or other HD at peak hours ?

P2P during peak hours ? How bad can it get ?

Edited by archy121 (Wed 05-Dec-12 15:40:35)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(experienced) Thu 06-Dec-12 07:16:49
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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In reply to a post by archy121:
I have signed up to TT FTTC & go live on 18th. @SKYPORT

I have become a little unsure with decision after hearing some complaints.

I would also appreciate some more feedback on speed & network up times.

Any issues streaming LoveFilm or other HD at peak hours ?

P2P during peak hours ? How bad can it get ?


You'll be fine on TT mate, don't listen to the doom-mongers! I'm on TT's ADSL2+ service and have been getting a top quality ADSL2+ connection for the last 2+ years, so no reason why their FTTC service would be different. I'm actually getting an above-average sync on my TT line...18.5 meg sync on a 29db line (no tweaking) giving ~ 16 meg speeds. I also get very low pings on fastpath profile, line speeds 24/7, no buffering on Netflix, Sky On Demand etc and if you ask them nicely on the forums, they may even give you a static ip address grin

On the downside they do throttle P2P though its done dynamically ie depends on how busy your exchange is at a particular time. However you can bypass the P2P throttling by using a VPN so well worth it if you are a heavy P2P downloader smile

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Thu 06-Dec-12 07:17:26)

Standard User archy121
(learned) Thu 06-Dec-12 14:39:05
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Great post !

Very encouraging to here a positive point of opinion.
Definitely eases my tension some what.

I guess there is an element of luck sometimes in these things. Sometimes the installation just goes well from start & your are set forever but if it goes wrong than it becomes increasingly messy the longer it takes to fix.
Been there..

On the downside they do throttle P2P though its done dynamically ie depends on how busy your exchange is at a particular time.



Is the dynamic throttling only actioned during peaks hours 6pm-12pm or can it happen any time including off peak hours if exchange is busy ?

How much p2p speed drop can one expect during throttling ?

Would you not loose most of your speed using a VPN network & therefore negating its value for p2p ?

Thanks

Edited by archy121 (Thu 06-Dec-12 15:01:48)

Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Thu 06-Dec-12 16:37:46
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i am with TT and adsl line and is very good
http://www.pingtest.net/result/73431436.png
But their FTTC is good as well because i had at old property...now sadly i am direct to echange
Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Thu 06-Dec-12 16:55:24
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In reply to a post by babis3g:
i am with TT and adsl line and is very good
http://www.pingtest.net/result/73431436.png
But their FTTC is good as well because i had at old property...now sadly i am direct to echange

Any ADSL service largly dependent on distance from exchange the further away (longer the loop) the slower and more subseptable to interference it will be ,

Thing is with talk talk if everything is working as it should then there isn't any problem with it, the adsl /FTTC technology used and the infrastructure from exchange to your home are basically the same regardless of ISP

But it's once that a problem arises with the line or their equipment that talktalk often turns out to be not such a good choice for quite a few , because their telephone support is abysmal ,
So customers are encoraged to register & use their members forum , but getting support can take several days using this method hardly ideal, if your internet connection is down something to consider before you sign up

Standard User Myth
(committed) Fri 07-Dec-12 09:47:03
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bittorrent throttled to 2kb/s most evenings and weekends. Is normally ok after 11pm. winmx not really throttled. As has been said this also depends on your particular exchange.

Am no expert on VPNs but I expect the extra overhead to only cause a small drop in speed, but this requires you to have a remote machine on a non-throttled connection running P2P software. For torrents these are called seedboxes and you can http/ftp to them to get the files.

In theory, theory and practice are identical.....in practice they aren't!
Standard User archy121
(learned) Sat 08-Dec-12 01:06:59
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OMG Winmax still around ? ! That was something special time back. Winmax could find some rare stuff & at a high bit rate.

Thanks for the tips general tips. I'm definitely going to look into the VPN root for the sake of general overall privacy & security. The money im going to save with TT will go towards VPN which works out quite well.

Little surprised to see that p2p gets throttles right back to 2kb/s rates. Would have though 200-300kbs would have been enough of a hit. I mean people streaming HD movies from legit sources are potentially hitting 500kb/s+.
Standard User Myth
(committed) Sat 08-Dec-12 10:18:00
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yep winmx (not winmax) still going, but is struggling at present due to attacks on the protocols. A new client is being written from scratch, but the old client needs a patch to connect http://patch.winmxconex.com/

been looking at VPNs and I see now it just streams to and from your IP, so the clients would be local. I don't know if the VPN protocols/ports are throttled or even given priority by TT etc, or if VPNs have different priority on the TT business connections.

VOIP and port 80 are prioritised AFAIK so that accounts for most streaming.

In theory, theory and practice are identical.....in practice they aren't!
Standard User baby_frogmella
(experienced) Sat 08-Dec-12 12:32:28
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I know there are many decent VPN providers out there but the one i would highly recommend is overplay.net Not the cheapest ($10 a month) but their vpn servers run at full (line) speeds and they also offer fantastic support. They also sell customized DD-WRT VPN routers so no need to faff around with VPN software on your pc. You'll be refunded if you sign up and decide its not for you after a few days smile

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Standard User archy121
(learned) Sat 08-Dec-12 13:12:47
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Yep its Winmx. I will be keeping eye on developments too.

I don't know if the VPN protocols/ports are throttled or even given priority by TT etc, or if VPNs have different priority on the TT business connections.


VPN throttling would completely put me off TT if VPN is throttled in any way.
According to TT's Traffic Management Info page they only manage p2p ports.

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/legal/broadband-traffic-ma...

Really could do with confirmation from TT member on VPN throttling policy.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(experienced) Sat 08-Dec-12 13:19:08
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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Really could do with confirmation from TT member on VPN throttling policy.


99% sure they don't throttle VPN traffic. Just try out a VPN service (eg overplay) which offers a trial period so nothing to lose smile

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Standard User Leki
(regular) Sat 08-Dec-12 14:57:56
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Re: Talk Talk FTTC, any comment?


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Myth are you on TT adsl or fibre?

I just asked talktalk sales advisor on chat about p2p throttling on fibre and got this answer:

Chat Transcript
info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
info: You are now chatting with 'Samantha'
Samantha: Welcome to TalkTalk. Home of UK's best value TV, broadband and phone. I am Samantha, how may I help you today?
you: hi, just wondering why on the "Your basket" part it does not mention the 9 month half price essentials offer in the prices
Samantha: The terms are generic however the promotion will reflect in your welcome pack and your bills.
you: ok, do you know what speed p2p traffic gets throttled to at peak times?
Samantha: It would be at the lowest estimate that is quoted on your basket page.
you: well my estimated download is 60Mb ...but i dont see how that shows what your traffic shaping will be on peer to peer apllications
Samantha: Your Fibre speeds are not affected, just the ADSL connection.
you: you are saying that you dont slow down or throttle peer to peer traffic on fibre connections?
Samantha: It is not affected as much as an ADSL connection.
Samantha: If you have 60MB on Fibre, this will be your speed most of the day and if it does drop it should be a meg or 2 down, it is not a massive drop.
you: even when downloading a torrent at peak times it would only drop to around 58Mb?
Samantha: That would be the approximate speeds.
you: ok thanks for the info
Samantha: You welcome.
Samantha: Thank you for chatting with us. We value your feedback. Please click the 'Close' button at top right to answer a few short questions about your experience with us today.
Samantha: Have a good weekend.


Is this lies? i thought talktalk also throttled on fibre as well?
if anyone is on talktalk fibre can you do a torrent test at peak time and say what speed you get.
http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-12.10-deskto... is a good one to test with.

thanks
Standard User Myth
(committed) Sun 09-Dec-12 04:14:10
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very interesting. I'm on ADSL, long line about 50db attn,

In theory, theory and practice are identical.....in practice they aren't!
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 09-Dec-12 11:46:51
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If P2P throttling is just knocking 2-3% off the line speed, then no point running it really.
The difference between essentials and plus is meant to be that the plus is less effected by the P2P throttling.

As for the comments - take them with a pinch of salt. They are carefully chosen words to make a product sell well, but probably just within what they can get away with, i.e. what any sales person would do

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User The_Don_Wales
(newbie) Thu 03-Jan-13 15:55:13
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We have Talktalk fibre and it's useless.

Our speed before fibre activation, 1.5 - 2.0 Mbps

Our speed the day of activation 5.0 Mbps

Speed for the last 3 weeks 1.8 Mbps

Talktalk customer service is as always useless, their technical support is nonexistent and they always take what BT Openreach say exactly at face value.
Standard User Jack_Hackett
(knowledge is power) Thu 03-Jan-13 17:47:42
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Talktalk customer service is as always useless, their technical support is nonexistent and they always take what BT Openreach say exactly at face value.


Care to explain ?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 03-Jan-13 18:25:15
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Without knowing the Openreach modem stats it is hard to say if this is Openreach or TalkTalk at fault.

FTTC can certainly run this slow if the line is long enough to the cabinet or excessive interference, e.g. from some Christmas lights that are still on.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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