Will TT Business ISP use any BT Wholesale back haul?

Edited by professor973 (Sat 27-Feb-16 10:10:31)

Edited by deleted (Sat 27-Feb-16 14:16:12)

In reply to a post by Bryer:

I'm pretty sure that TTB route most of their backhaul over Virgin Media....

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by Bryer:

I'm pretty sure that TTB route most of their backhaul over Virgin Media....

Talktalk have their own ip based backhaul network, the largest in the country.
https://www.talktalkbusiness.co.uk/about-us/our-netw...

Edited by Bryer (Mon 29-Feb-16 13:49:43)

In reply to a post by Bryer:

Yes which runs off the Virgin Media backhaul. If there is any issues with their backhaul the reports show that Virgin Media engineers are on site and investigating.

Our fully owned Next Generation Network is industry-leading, and the largest and most connected all-IP network in the UK. Built for business, it provides reliability and value across all of your communications.

Edited by deleted (Mon 29-Feb-16 13:51:34)

In reply to a post by Bryer:

They aren't telling porkies. They do own their own IP range and systems, however, they do not have the ability to have a backhaul network.

Now at the start of this year, Virgin Media offloaded their copper based users to Talk Talk. Here. Which indicates a working agreement between the two. Almost an incentive for Talk Talk to take backhaul from Virgin in exchange for a chunky customer base.

Now I work in the telecoms industry and we often get emails from Talk Talk (which I cannot post on a forum), that state the outage on the backhaul or performance degradation is being investigated by Virgin Media engineers.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

And Rednet?

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by Bryer:

They aren't telling porkies. They do own their own IP range and systems, however, they do not have the ability to have a backhaul network.

Now at the start of this year, Virgin Media offloaded their copper based users to Talk Talk. Here. Which indicates a working agreement between the two. Almost an incentive for Talk Talk to take backhaul from Virgin in exchange for a chunky customer base.

Now I work in the telecoms industry and we often get emails from Talk Talk (which I cannot post on a forum), that state the outage on the backhaul or performance degradation is being investigated by Virgin Media engineers.

But you still haven't provided any evidence to prove your claim? Tesco also offloaded their broadband customers to TalkTalk not too long ago, doesn't mean Talktalk are now using Vodafone/C&W backhaul.

Also how on earth can Virgin media have any backhaul network in an area where they don't offer their cable services (which is Virgin media's bread & butter). That's akin to BT installing a fibre network for sole use of their competitor...

Edited by Bryer (Mon 29-Feb-16 14:21:31)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

I had my broadband problems attended to by a Fujitsu engineer - obviously Fujitsu own BT.

In reply to a post by Bryer:

A quick Google search doesn't reveal anything either.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by Bryer:

A quick Google search doesn't reveal anything either.

This probably says more than you realise.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

This probably says more than you realise.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

As I work in the telecoms industry, that information is on a need to know basis only.

Edited by Bryer (Mon 29-Feb-16 14:46:47)

In reply to a post by craski:

Any idea if its possible to tell at an Exchange level if Talk Talk have back haul completely separate from BT Wholesale?

Edited by deleted (Mon 29-Feb-16 17:39:48)

Edited by francisuk25 (Wed 18-May-16 00:34:10)

In reply to a post by francisuk25:

The only share i see in the talktalk network is peering to UK ISPs, example

^*virgin-media-pp-the.as13285.net*^
^*sky-pp-the.as13285.net*^

this is the only traffic going from TalkTalk > Virgin Media or Sky

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C:\>tracert www.thinkbroadband.com
 Tracing route to www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]
over a maximum of 30 hops: 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  Linksys02455 [192.168.1.2]  2     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  host-62-24-255-18.as13285.net [62.24.255.18]
  3    17 ms    16 ms    16 ms  host-78-151-226-51.as13285.net [78.151.226.51]  4    17 ms    16 ms    16 ms  host-78-151-226-240.as13285.net [78.151.226.240]
  5    24 ms    23 ms    24 ms  host-78-144-12-139.as13285.net [78.144.12.139]  6    32 ms    23 ms    23 ms  host-78-144-10-54.as13285.net [78.144.10.54]
  7    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  talktalk-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net [78.144.3.74]  8    25 ms    25 ms    26 ms  te1-1-1-31.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.85]
  9    27 ms    24 ms    25 ms  www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130] 
Trace complete. 
C:\>

Edited by deleted (Wed 18-May-16 11:06:17)

Tracing route to 2.120.9.221 over a maximum of 20 hops

1 13ms 12ms 13ms 62.24.254.37
2 15ms 15ms 15ms 78.151.225.141
3 17ms 16ms 15ms 78.151.225.22
4 21ms 21ms 22ms 78.144.10.29
5 21ms 20ms 21ms 78.144.12.234
6 21ms 21ms 21ms 78.144.3.70
7 32ms 42ms 33ms 2.120.9.221

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Francis>tracert 62.24.255.18

Tracing route to host-62-24-255-18.as13285.net [62.24.255.18]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ASUS [192.168.3.1]
2 8 ms 8 ms 12 ms brnt-core-2a-xe-021-0.network.virginmedia.net [80.2.137.101]
3 15 ms 15 ms 12 ms nrth-bb-1c-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.254.42.134]
4 14 ms 14 ms 18 ms tele-ic-4-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.174.18]
5 17 ms 14 ms 15 ms xe-11-3-0-scr010.the.as13285.net [78.144.3.65]
6 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms host-78-144-11-230.as13285.net [78.144.11.230]
7 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms 85-210-254-132.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [85.210.254.132]
8 36 ms 33 ms 33 ms host-62-24-255-18.as13285.net [62.24.255.18]

Trace complete.

Edited by francisuk25 (Wed 18-May-16 14:39:25)