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Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Thu 05-Jan-17 09:10:04
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TalkTalk FTTC Speeds


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I'm currently with Pulse8 and seeing single thread speeds that are only about 60% of the multi thread issues.

I'm currently on their 38 Mbps product and getting this sort of test profile:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I saw something similar on their 76 Mbps product, before I downgraded:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

My understanding is that Pulse8 are just a TTB reseller, so interested to know whether these profiles are typical of TT FTTC speeds.

There is little point in me pushing Pulse8 if my profiles are typical of TT FTTC connections, so would appreciate you posting your your TT FTTC TBB speed test results.

Many thanks for your help.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Thu 05-Jan-17 15:10:29
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HI Jay,

TalkTalk Business here - getting about the same as you.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Service is good. You can tell when I use my connection.. lol

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/57dce2a8406...
Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Thu 05-Jan-17 17:44:00
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I don't have any saved ones but in my old place both were equal on standard talktalk residential broadband. I've since closed that line down.

You often couldn't see two lines as they were literally on top of one another.

Yours does indicate slight congestion. Hard to say if that's the reseller not buying enough capacity from TT or a wider TT issue.


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Standard User bobble_bob
(knowledge is power) Thu 05-Jan-17 17:51:45
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Hard to say if that's the reseller not buying enough capacity from TT or a wider TT issue.


Pulse8 dont buy capacity from Talk Talk, you're on a Talk Talk Business connection directly. Only difference is P8 handle the customer service
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 05-Jan-17 18:03:06
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Definitely not normal on TTB/TT and indicates congestion somewhere. This is what you should be seeing if on a TT 80/20 sync:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

(old speedtest i know)

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Thu 05-Jan-17 18:41:06
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lol i'm clearly not :/
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 05-Jan-17 19:16:40
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Much the same on TTB here earlier, better now.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I note that the upload was lower than expected where usually the download is the thing that drops under congestion. Find myself wondering if the issue isn't actually bandwidth but something else.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Thu 05-Jan-17 19:18:24)

Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 00:09:36
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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
I don't have any saved ones but in my old place both were equal on standard talktalk residential broadband. I've since closed that line down.

You often couldn't see two lines as they were literally on top of one another.

Yours does indicate slight congestion. Hard to say if that's the reseller not buying enough capacity from TT or a wider TT issue.

Did a bit of digging. Was this your TT connection?

Edited by jaydub (Fri 06-Jan-17 00:10:16)

Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 00:11:32
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Definitely not normal on TTB/TT and indicates congestion somewhere. This is what you should be seeing if on a TT 80/20 sync:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

(old speedtest i know)

Good to see that full speeds are achievable...or at least were. wink
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 00:19:32
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Looks as though TTB struggles to deliver the rock solid single thread response that seems to be available on BTW connections. Good to see that some others are at least getting close to the ideal single thread response though.
Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Fri 06-Jan-17 00:43:15
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Not totally sure that is mine but pretty much every speed test came out just like that.

I am London based so i would imagine they do upgrades before congestion affects a lot of people, altough that didn't seem to bother Virginmedia.

Here's a BT one just done on my iPhone over wifi now:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I would personally not worry too much about the speed tests seen here as the single threaded isn't low enough to impact most things i.e. streaming etc.
Standard User aparat
(regular) Fri 06-Jan-17 04:45:25
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No problems here with pulse8 at all. Since September thats what I get every day

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 06-Jan-17 06:48:43
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No problems here with pulse8 at all. Since September thats what I get every day

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Thanks. OP, this proves the issue is likely to be TT congestion at your local exchange. To confirm this either way , try to run a TBB speed test on one of your neighbours non P8 TT connection...if you can find one smile

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Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 08:34:08
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by aparat:
No problems here with pulse8 at all. Since September thats what I get every day

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Thanks. OP, this proves the issue is likely to be TT congestion at your local exchange. To confirm this either way , try to run a TBB speed test on one of your neighbours non P8 TT connection...if you can find one smile

The bit that I struggle with from a congestion perspective is that:
- The speeds I see are pretty much consistent throughout the day
- Moving to a higher priority business connection did nothing to improve my speeds
- TTB have told Pulse8 that they don't believe it is congestion.

Finding someone with a TT connection is probably too much of a challenge. wink

Even on the 38 Home product I am currently on, the single thread slow down isn't having any material impact on our use of the Internet.

What does intrigue me know is that I see better speeds using the single thread TestMy.Net speed test, than the TBB single thread results. Different protocol and port settings admittedly.

These two tests were taken on Tuesday afternoon an hour apart and are showing pretty near maximum speeds:
http://testmy.net/db/TXAqk8hM6.TOq6Uo89C

and a 1000MB download from here has averaged almost 36 Mbps this morning, so there is some variability in the results we see.

Perhaps more an indication of congestion on the peering links?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 06-Jan-17 10:36:26
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Perhaps more an indication of congestion on the peering links?


Its possible, similar to what some Zen broadband customers are/were suffering from - see here and here.

Exchange congestion can also happen 24/7 (or most of the time) if capacity is severely limited, so shouldn't be ruled out completely. Your fibre link from FTTC cabinet to terminating exchange can also suffer from congestion, though its not very common. Your issue could really be any one of many possibilities, but taking a guess I would say exchange congestion, P8/TTB routing issues or lack of TT bandwidth purchased by P8 are likely to be the main reason(s).

TBH if its not affecting your day to day usage of your connection, I would just forget about it and enjoy the P8 service. It can drive you insane if you pay too much attention to single thread v multiple thread speedtest results and anyway chances are it will resolve itself over time smile

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Standard User Skilty
(committed) Fri 06-Jan-17 10:57:17
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Hey J,

You and I have spoken about this on the forums and in PM. I see the same single thread speeds as you.

After speaking with the guys at P8 there doesn't seem to be anything wrong as far as they can see. All I have are the speed test results and as they only use theirs for raising issues with TT not sure where you go from here.

I guess there is Uno and A&A but both use TT so you may find yourself (and me) in the same position as you are now.

Not sure how you can confirm cabinet or exchange congestion.

plusnet Fibre > Sky Fibre Pro > Pulse8 Fibre XL - 14ms Ping, Sync ~ 65.78/18.73Mbps - BQM
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 11:02:06
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There's dialogue currently going on between Hi Pulse8 and the TTB technical team, so we'll see what conclusions they come to.

Beyond that, I'm not going to get too screwed up about it. My scientific / engineering background makes me want to understand why, so I'm not done with it yet....but getting there.

At the end of the day, the cost of migrating back to the sort of BTW based ISPs I would consider joining are fairly prohibitive and I'm not sure how much would be gained by migrating to another TTB based provider, so I am likely to stay where I am.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 11:28:43
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In reply to a post by jaydub:
Looks as though TTB struggles to deliver the rock solid single thread response that seems to be available on BTW connections. Good to see that some others are at least getting close to the ideal single thread response though.


Yes I would have to agree

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

It's funny how on my Mac I get the IPv6 tester which fails, but on the PC I get IPv4 - and yet on same connection!.

I can download files from places like proof.ovh.net on TTB and ti comes down about 90% speed, they are single thread? We can't put our faith in just 1 tester however.

Edited by 23Prince (Fri 06-Jan-17 11:31:45)

Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 11:35:19
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Your fibre link from FTTC cabinet to terminating exchange can also suffer from congestion, though its not very common.


That's what I had with BT and I contacted Newcastle and I was put onto a less congested segment. If anyone is interested on how they view it and how quickly they sort it I can provide the e-mail transcript. It's like 4 e-mails and took less than 24 hours to sort.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 11:37:13
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Not sure how you can confirm cabinet or exchange congestion.


When I had it - I struggled to get about 15mbps most of the time. So when it does hit it's impossible to miss.
Standard User bobble_bob
(knowledge is power) Fri 06-Jan-17 12:15:41
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Although the symptoms suggest congestion, doesnt explain why he is getting this in the early hours of then morning
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 12:31:55
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When I had it on Infinity I got it 24/7. I know this is TT network so that could have been a stupid comment I just made.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 06-Jan-17 12:39:09
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A clear indicator of exchange or network congestion is packet loss on an idle connection, even if its just a few % loss. Might be worth setting up a TBB BQM and also a monitor at f8lure for confirmation. Obviously if you're on a dynamic IP then avoid rebooting your modem/router.

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Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 06-Jan-17 15:20:55
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
A clear indicator of exchange or network congestion is packet loss on an idle connection, even if its just a few % loss. Might be worth setting up a TBB BQM and also a monitor at f8lure for confirmation. Obviously if you're on a dynamic IP then avoid rebooting your modem/router.

TBB BQN Graph here

Not much sign of packet loss there. The router stats are only showing a negligible amount of errors and I think these are only generated maxing out the connection performing speed tests.

Just in the process of setting up a f8lure link.
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sat 07-Jan-17 11:06:54
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F8lure graph here.
http://f8luresig.mouselike.org/sig.png?/57764.png

The AAISP version only kicked in at 1am this morning:
https://f8lure.mouselike.org/proxyfirebrick.asp?ID=5...

However the TBB monitor pings have been much more spikey since 11pm yesterday evening.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/20976258cdf...
This is something I haven't seen before. The before 11pm performance is typical.

Is this a side effect of running the F8lure monitor alongside the TBB one?

For reference the router errors are showing:

Link Uptime: 8 days: 10 hours: 17 minutes

VDSL Counters

Downstream Upstream
Since Link time = 17 min 57 sec (spot the ZyXel display bug!!)
FEC: 0 896
CRC: 16 261
ES: 15 221
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0

Any thoughts appreciated.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Jan-17 11:56:09
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Having the TBB and f8lure monitors running simultaneously shouldn't skew each others results.

Wrt yellow spikes on TBB monitor, it seems they aren't reflected on the f8lure monitor? If the TBB monitor is incorrect then by the same token the TBB speedtester could also be giving you incorrect single thread speedtest results. Hence why i recommended f8lure to get an independent check on your TBB BQM, but it appears one monitor is telling you porkies...I would leave both BQMs running for a week or so and then do a comparison. Ideally you shouldn't have any spikes when your connection is idle.

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sat 07-Jan-17 12:58:27
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AAISP do a monitor as well? Is this for a new connection, their IPsec service or something else?
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sat 07-Jan-17 13:13:52
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In reply to a post by 23Prince:
AAISP do a monitor as well? Is this for a new connection, their IPsec service or something else

The F8lure service has their native monitor plus a second monitor hosted at AAISP.
f8lure hs been running since mid-2007 after a similar service called l8nc closed down leaving people stuck. Since we launched many similar services have also cropped up such as pingdom and ThinkBroadband's ping monitoring service. I hope we are better than the other services as we support dynamic IP addresses (dyndns, no-ip etc.), IPv6 and e-mail notifications of connection failure.
In 2013 AAISP kindly setup a FireBrick as a second opinion graph from within their network!
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sat 07-Jan-17 14:58:33
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Ah right - thank you
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Jan-17 15:30:42
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On ping a lot depends on where you are pinging to/from.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Fri 13-Jan-17 15:04:23
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Also raised with Pulse8 here.

The drop in single thread speeds isn't especially bothersome, though it is very noticeable on tests.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

More troubling is how it makes online gaming feel. I'm bad enough at the games without having a bunch of jitter added. Feels like a very treacly experience, and gaming is not the place for such things.

My Broadband Ping

Edited by Ignitionnet (Fri 13-Jan-17 15:05:40)

Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 13-Jan-17 15:26:41
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Mixed bag here.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/57dce2a8406...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

No idea why the upload is so low. It's 18 on ST.Net
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 13-Jan-17 16:08:31
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There has been some dialogue between Pulse8 and TTB and Pulse8 have now raised this as a formal issue with TTB.

Will keep you posted in terms of any progress (or otherwise!).
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 13-Jan-17 16:13:49
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http://tbb.st/148364731129140078039

Seems to be variable for you

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 13-Jan-17 19:39:38
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dosent affect the performance, not sure if should?
Standard User Mac99
(newbie) Fri 13-Jan-17 21:21:58
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I am currently with an ISP who use Talk Talk and have the same single thread speed issues reported on here. From the numerous posts in the forum it would appear that at least some are congestion related.

I will outset say I am a total novice and have no understanding of the technical aspects of broadband delivery but in this day and age, where congestion is an issue at an exchange, I would think that an ISP would be able to monitor such issues. So for example any ISP using Talk Talk back haul would have some method of gauging congestion from the telephone number used on the checker or before confirming an order.

But the single thread speed issues (whatever the cause) do seem to be affecting rather a lot of ISP's and it appears the list is getting bigger.

Regards
Mac
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 13-Jan-17 21:56:16
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if its widespread and affecting all TTB resellers, then aaisp will probably do something about it.

Sky Fibre Pro BQM - IPv4 BQM - IPv6

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 14-Jan-17 01:55:28)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Fri 13-Jan-17 23:51:27
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My next hop changed a few weeks back from a BRAS in Leeds to one that I think is in London. Wonder if TalkTalk have been centralising L2TP termination and pushed something too hard?
Standard User Mac99
(newbie) Sat 14-Jan-17 10:28:15
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Hi Chrysalis,

The ISP in question is not AA, although what you say might be true as AA I believe do use TTB.

Hi Ignition,

I seem to recollect L2TP being mentioned somewhere and from memory, TTB saying to ISP that their kit was allowing more L2TP connections than should.

My interpretation of this is TTB are allowing more connections and this is the reason for the congestion. What they don't however say is whether this is faulty equipment or deliberate, although I would surprised if they were honest enough to say it was deliberate.

However as I say, this is at some exchanges not all.

I think the point I was trying to make and maybe badly was an ISP should check for congestion before going through to service provision and if there is congestion then they should be honest enough to say so before accepting the order.

In an ideal world, this would allow the customer to make a fully informed decision without having to find out after the event and having to either live with the problem for a good long while until resolved or even to have to wait for the length of the contract.

Regards
Mac

Edited by Mac99 (Sat 14-Jan-17 10:29:11)

Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sat 14-Jan-17 11:23:33
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Both Skilty and I have tried upgrading to the P8 Business connection with absolutely no difference to our TBB speed test results, so I don't believe this is congestion. TTB have also confirmed to P8 that they don't see my performance issues as being congestion related.

The TBB single thread speed is absolutely consistent with downloading a TBB test file and the results are very consistent

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

However if I test using TestMy.Net, a site that prides itself as a single thread test site, I get full speeds.

Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 12:00:37 pm up 6.1 MB 7.93 Mbps 992 kB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 12:00:19 pm down 200 MB 36.4 Mbps 4.55 MB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 11:00:34 am up 6.2 MB 7.7 Mbps 963 kB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 11:00:18 am down 200 MB 36.03 Mbps 4.5 MB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 10:00:28 am up 6.3 MB 7.78 Mbps 973 kB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 10:00:11 am down 200 MB 37.15 Mbps 4.64 MB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 09:00:28 am up 6.3 MB 7.85 Mbps 981 kB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 09:00:10 am down 200 MB 35.79 Mbps 4.47 MB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 07:59:40 am up 6.3 MB 8.57 Mbps 1.07 MB/s
Thu Jan 12 2017 @ 07:59:28 am down 43.1 MB 35.69 Mbps 4.46 MB/s

I have found a Dutch download test file site at:

http://test.unet.nl/1000mb.bin

that downloaded at 35.7 Mbps, which is in line with the TestMy.Net tests.

So results are variable depending on where you test.

Feels more like a peering issue to me.
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sat 14-Jan-17 11:24:22
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[re: Ignitionnet] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
My next hop changed a few weeks back from a BRAS in Leeds to one that I think is in London. Wonder if TalkTalk have been centralising L2TP termination and pushed something too hard?

How do you identify where the BRAS is located?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 14-Jan-17 13:12:14
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Peering or path through providers network to the peers

Only the smallest providers have a single path through their network and even then good practice means you have two or more to allow for one bit of kit failing.

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sat 14-Jan-17 21:05:35
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In reply to a post by jaydub:
where the BRAS is located?


Just find a lady...

<walks away>

Lame yes, Too good not to? Absolutely!
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sun 15-Jan-17 11:44:30
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In reply to a post by 23Prince:
In reply to a post by jaydub:
where the BRAS is located?


Just find a lady...

<walks away>

Lame yes, Too good not to? Absolutely!

That's no lady ..... that's my wife. wink
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sun 15-Jan-17 11:47:19
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Possibly something that look's more congestion related yesterday afternoon...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

... but this is far from typical.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 15-Jan-17 14:09:41
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where the BRAS is located?


Just find a lady...

<walks away>

Lame yes, Too good not to? Absolutely!

That's no lady ..... that's my wife. wink


So your wife is not a lady? Do you still retain your balls after she reads that? :/

Ah! That's the way you meant it! - my brain is fried, been eating too many donuts in Times Square again. If anyone is online around 9PM tonight I will flash my [censored] on the Times Square street cam just for you to show how many I have eaten smile (5 hours behind here)
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sun 15-Jan-17 14:53:56
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My next hop changed a few weeks back from a BRAS in Leeds to one that I think is in London. Wonder if TalkTalk have been centralising L2TP termination and pushed something too hard?

How do you identify where the BRAS is located?


Latency. Previously my first hop was hit in less than 5ms, it's now a virtually identical time to the BBC and the lack of difference between them indicates the BRAS / LNS is close to the BBC servers in London.
Standard User Brunel
(experienced) Sun 15-Jan-17 21:55:01
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How do you identify where the BRAS is located?


https://www.softperfect.com/products/worldroute/
Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Fri 20-Jan-17 18:01:42
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As what is hopefully a final update to this thread, I had a nice speed test surprise this morning.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Pulse8 are upgrading all their customers packages, which must have resulted in the problem TTB kit being bypassed.

Hopefully all other Pulse8 users that were having single thread speed issues will see a similar improvement in their results.

Not sure whether this is Pulse8 specific or whether TTB are also moving their users over as well.

Keeping my fingers crossed that it will last.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 20-Jan-17 20:25:26
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Looking good! I hope it lasts for you too smile It does seem to just be P8 as this is mine
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Edited by 23Prince (Fri 20-Jan-17 20:27:10)

Standard User jaydub
(experienced) Sat 21-Jan-17 11:51:23
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Looking good! I hope it lasts for you too smile It does seem to just be P8 as this is mine
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

No change to yours then.

Keeping my fingers crossed it holds. Having seen the way that TTB were handling the fault raised by P8, I'm not impressed by the quality of TTB's response and I'm not sure how much leverage P* can really bring to bear on the TTB megalith.

I'll stay put as long as it holds, but may look around if peformance starts to drop again.

My before and after traceroutes from www.thinkbroadband.com changed from:

# Host Sent Recvd Best Avg Worst
1 thinkbroadband-gw2.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net 15 15 0ms 2ms 3ms
2 po4-31.bdr-rt3.thdo.ncuk.net 15 15 0ms 10ms 157ms
3 ge-11-0-0-scr010.the.as13285.net 15 15 0ms 2ms 14ms
4 host-78-144-14-7.as13285.net 15 15 0ms 2ms 16ms
5 host-78-144-9-16.as13285.net 15 15 5ms 6ms 6ms
6 host-78-151-229-213.as13285.net 15 15 5ms 6ms 16ms
7 host-62-24-255-6.as13285.net 15 15 5ms 6ms 6ms
8 host-78-149-210-32.as13285.net 15 15 10ms 10ms 11ms

to:

# Host Sent Recvd Best Avg Worst
1 thinkbroadband-gw2.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net 15 15 1ms 10ms 120ms
2 po4-31.bdr-rt3.thdo.ncuk.net 15 15 0ms 1ms 15ms
3 ge-11-0-0-scr010.the.as13285.net 15 15 0ms 3ms 36ms
4 host-78-144-14-1.as13285.net 15 15 0ms 6ms 51ms
5 host-78-144-9-20.as13285.net 15 15 5ms 7ms 25ms
6 host-78-151-229-213.as13285.net 15 15 6ms 7ms 11ms
7 81.1.113.12 15 15 7ms 8ms 14ms
8 xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com 15 15 10ms 10ms 11ms

Intrigued to know whether your routing is similar or not.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sat 21-Jan-17 15:23:07
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No, no change for mine. But to be honest that's the only time I notice it. I don't think I do anything single thread anyway - unless FTP is single thread using filezilla?

I don't see any performance problems in streaming, downloading or uploading.
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