Help with master socket

Can anyone help?
stats are:
Downlink 9716kbps
Attenuation 33.0db
Noise Margin 6.4db

Uplink 1300kbps
Attenuation 15.1db
Noise Margin 6.5db

No errors reported

Tried the test socket behind the master and got an amazing 15mb+ speeds at 6.4db.
Unplugged the bell wire as mentioned here:
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/multiuser/3605804-b...
and tried the master front plate again (not the test socket). I lost 1mb in speed and got 7497MB downlink.
Reinserted the bell wire and got 9437mb again.
Weird, not what I expected because removing the bell wire should have increased the speed since it apparently creates interference.
If im getting 15mb using the test socket, the problem must be the front plate where all my tel extensions are linking to. maybe the extensions are causing the interference.

Should I get an i-plate?
or one of those ADSL+Phone sockets?

Try again with everything unplugged from the extension socket and the ring wires disconnected at each socket, not just at the master.
What have you got plugged into the extension sockets and how many are therer?

Apart from the master in which a standard BT phone is plugged into, there are 3 other extensions.
1 hosts my sky box
1 host another phone
1 hosts a phone and another sky box

If the ring wire is disconnected from the master, is it still creating a circuit around the house?

Replacing the face plate on the Master with an ADSL face plate can I still use my router in another room?
It seems from other posts in this forum that only voice is passed through to the other extensions. Is this correct? I would prefer using my router in my bedroom where I have hardwired my PS3 for media sharing.

Edited by hittyh (Mon 09-Aug-10 12:12:43)

Replacing the face plate on the Master with an ADSL face plate can I still use my router in another room?

No. The whole point of the filtered faceplate is to isolate the ADSL at the master socket.

Is it possible to replace the faceplate with an ADSL one at the extension I need it at?

Ive already removed the ring wire at the master.

filtered faceplates go on the NTE5 master socket, that's the point of them - the ADSL stops there and doesn't wander off around your extensions.

You could have the master moved, or put the router at the master, or fit a filtered faceplate and run an ADSL-only extension to the router.

In reply to a post by hittyh:

Replacing the face plate on the Master with an ADSL face plate can I still use my router in another room?

I use this Faceplate filter from ADSLNation: http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php

My BT Master Socket is in the loft so I've run a high quality RJ11 to my office where my router lives with separate extensions for my phones taken from the faceplate. Or there are both 'filtered' and 'unfiltered' IDC connections available if more suitable.

The adsl nation faceplate has both filtered and unfiltered connections for extensions so it is easy to run an extension purely for adsl as long as you get a second socket.

Just got the ADSLnation master plate. I unplugged all the phone extensions around the house to get a pure reading.
I then unplugged all the extensions behind the NTE5. plugged in only the BT incoming wire into the XTE-2005 using only A + B.
Plugged the router direct into the XTE-2005.
only getting 8896kb downlink, 32db attentuation and 6.3db SNR.

I dont understand.
with NTE5 and ringwire plugged in I get 9400kb downlink. ringwire unplugged 8700kb, XTE-2005 8900kb.
Test socket 15000kb.

plugged in only the BT incoming wire into the XTE-2005 using only A + B.

Hmmm, dosnt sound right
The incoming BT line should be left untouched and be connected to the A+B terminals on the back of the BT NTE.
The XTE 2005 plugs into the front of the BT NTE, replacing the old faceplate.
You should not be connecting the incoming pair directly tio the XTE 2005.
The A+B terminals on the XTE 2005 allow you to extend the unfiltered ADSL signal on you internal wiring if required

if, and I mean if, you NTE5 is wired correctly then the BT incoming wire will go to the backplate with the A/B connections.

Your wired extensions should all come off the detachable lower faceplate.

If you unplug the faceplate then none of the extensions should have a dial tone.

The test socket exposed by unplugging the faceplate should give the best ADSL results as it is only connected to the incoming pair.

If you install a filtered faceplate you would have to reconnect your voice extensions to its 2/3/5 connector block. If you wanted a wired ADSL extension it would connect to the A/B connector block on the faceplate (if fitted, the original BT ones don't have this).

So you should get the best results in the test socket, plugging a filtered faceplate in with no wired extensions attached should give the same result unless there's a connection issue with the faceplate not fitting the test socket properly.

When you add the voice extension wiring it shouldn't have an effect, but you may see a small one as no filter is 100%.

When you say "plugged in only the BT incoming wire into the XTE-2005" that tells me you wired it up wrong.

I am able to see behind the Master socket.

I have 1 Black cable with the mutli coloured wires and another White cable with multi coloured wires.
The black one im assuming is BTs and the white cable is what connects all my extensions around the house.
So I have a faceplate with 2 blue and white wires and 2 white and blue wires connected to 2 + 5.
I simply removed the wires from the white cable which disables my extensions from working. So now I have only 1 Black cable with wires connected to 2 + 5.
Hope this makes sense.

wait a sec. are both cables my internal extensions? I have 3 sockets down stairs and 1 upstairs. need to check this again without any wires in the faceplate.

It may be useful if you post some links to photos of your various sockets.

So now I have only 1 Black cable with wires connected to 2 + 5.
Hope this makes sense.

not really. What is connected to the two terminals at the very back of the NTE5 ? ie the bit you can only get to normally by removing the faceplate and then unscrewing what is underneath it. The two terminals are often screws but I think later ones may be push-in IDC connectors.

I read your description as saying you had the black and white cables connecting to 2+5 on the detachable faceplate

In reply to a post by hittyh:

I am able to see behind the Master socket.
I have 1 Black cable with the mutli coloured wires and another White cable with multi coloured wires.
The black one im assuming is BTs and the white cable is what connects all my extensions around the house.

That doesn't sound quite right!?

The only wire connected behind the NTE5 should be BT's wire from the 'street'.
This connects directly to the back of the Master Socket. Any extensions should connect behind the removable faceplate - the idea being when you removed the faceplate to reveal your 'TEST' socket all of your internal wiring will be disconnected in case it's causing problems.

In reply to a post by yarwell:

The two terminals are often screws but I think later ones may be push-in IDC connectors.

You are indeed correct, for many years the NTE-5 had screw terminals so that the old figure 8 stranded drop wire could be connected to them. However the drop wire now has to be replaced with a twisted pair cable so BT stopped using NTE-5 sockets with screw terminals. Engineers now only carry NTE-5 sockets with IDC terminals on the rear and Pressac the manufacturer of the NTE-5 stopped manufacturing them with screw terminals last year.

for many years the NTE-5 had screw terminals so that the old figure 8 stranded drop wire could be connected to them.

<pedant>
Drop wire has never been stranded.
It is always a solid conductor, but the diameter and material used may have differed, which prevented it's use with IDC terminals. IDCs require 0.5mm diameter solid copper wires to work correctly.

Older types of drop wire used conductors of a larger diameter of copper alloy to provide mechanical strength.
Current drop wire uses 0.5mm copper conductors, but also has separate steel supports within the construction to provide the strength needed to span large distances.
</pedant>

Edited by deleted (Mon 16-Aug-10 11:42:28)

Sorry, when I say "behind" I mean after taking the faceplate off. What im seeing are 2 cables (white and black) with phone wires. Both cable's wires are plugged into the IDC terminals on the back of the faceplate. These must be my extensions for upstairs and downstairs.

Right now both cables are twined together on either 2 and 5 or A and B (depending on the faceplate used) assuming this links them.

Will the Phones still ring if:
a) the extension for downstairs (white cable) is plugged in to 2,3 and 5.
and
b) the extension for upstairs (black cable) where I need the router, is plugged in to A + B.

Edited by hittyh (Mon 16-Aug-10 15:44:29)

Will the Phones still ring if:
a) the extension for downstairs (white cable) is plugged in to 2,3 and 5.
b) the extension for upstairs (black cable) where I need the router, is plugged in to A + B.

should do. If you have a phone upstairs you'll need a microfilter there but nowhere else.

ive found out the black cable is for all downstairs extensions and the white is for upstairs.
I connect both white and black cables to the filtered 2,3 and 5 IDC terminals and plug the router into the adslnation socket. I get 15mb downlink.
I keep the black cable in 2,3 and 5, and connect the white cable (upstairs) to A and B. All extensions ring but the speed drops to 9mb still using the master adslnation faceplate.

place all the wires back into 2,3 and 5, I get 15mb again.

what is upstairs and is it all filtered.

Were all of the results with the router plugged into the ADSLnation faceplate ?

Just to be clear and hopefully prove I do know what im doing, 2,3 and 5 are filtered connections and therefore only voice will work and no need for filters.
A and B are unfiltered and so the ADSL signal as well as voice can pass, but need a filter at every socket.
With this in mind, Ive connected my extension for upstairs (white cable) to A + B on the adslnation master faceplate and the extensions for downstairs to 2,3 and 5. Upstairs I only have 1 extension socket with a filter plugged in separating my phone and ADSL connection.

With this setup, no matter if I plug the router in at the master adslnation faceplate or upstairs filtered extension socket, I still get 9mb. At the master, if I just disconnect A and B, I get 15mb from the main adslnation faceplate (with downstairs extensions connected to 2,3 and 5).

This is how my master looks right now.
http://pic0.picsorlinks.com/ph_or_36677_433084d.jpg

From the pic it looks like you have the ring wire connected in the white cable. Remove the ring wire (orange / white), not required as the filter will provide the ring circuit.

No, its coming from the black cable (downstairs extentions).
The white cable is only plugged in to A and B.
Blue with white in B
White with Blue in A

Ive also tried swapping the wires in A and B with no joy.
Tonight, im going to try the Black cable in A and B and White cable in 2 and 5 to see the results.

so either the white cable, or the stuff on the other end of it, is picking up interference or causing some other issue. What's the whole story of the white cable - does it go to a single socket or .... ?

Yes it does, to a room upstairs. Its the only extension upstairs.
That extension has a filter with a Phone, Router (hopefully) and Sat Box.
I remember my alarm has a tel wire too. Ill need to check the main box for the alarm to see if its connected to white or black.

sat boxes are sometimes the problem - try the white cable with only the router on the end.

still only getting 9mb after disconnecting the sat box and phone. will try exchanging the 2 cables at the master to see what that does.

In reply to a post by hittyh:

still only getting 9mb after disconnecting the sat box and phone. will try exchanging the 2 cables at the master to see what that does.

tried this. no matter which cable is using A and B, the speed drops to 8-9mb both at master and at extension.
If I unplug A and B and only use 2,3 and 5 at master, i get 15mb.

The filter is working, but the unfiltered connections are being restricted.
based on this Im sure the adslnation is either faulty or not compatible with my setup.

ive seen on other forums people having luck with the pressac plate from Clarity. Anyone here had any joy with them?

You will get identical results with any faceplate as the A&B terminals are simply unfiltered direct connections to the incoming line.

the A/B is a pass through, so you can test its electrical connectivity. The effect on the speed is caused by having all that extra wire hanging off the end which appears to be creating an imbalance or picking up interference.

It is common to get a low speed at the faceplate if an A/B extension is connected as you're not at the end of the line, but in your case you get the same at the end of the extension wire.

The solution is of course to put the router at the master socket and use ethernet / homeplugs / wireless to bridge the gap.

In reply to a post by hittyh:

ive seen on other forums people having luck with the pressac plate from Clarity. Anyone here had any joy with them?

I use the Pressac filtered faceplates. They appear perform more than adequately to SIN 346 as specified by BT.

In reply to a post by hittyh:

I remember my alarm has a tel wire too. Ill need to check the main box for the alarm to see if its connected to white or black.

The alarm is the equivalent of a Sky box modem, a telephone or any other telephone voice equipment - it kills the ADSL signal. It needs to be filtered: i.e. not connected directly to the A & B terminals.

Yes. Use this this