Have I done my phone extension correctly or should I change

After a recent upgrade to sky broadband I started thinking about an extension BT socket I fitted about a year ago,and if I did it correctly and used the correct wire etc.

My situation is I have a BT NTE5 socket with a openreach DSL/fibre splitter on it..It was fitted when I had a line fault a few years ago by openreach,but I only have standard BB.

So the situation is I bought a new NTE5 master socket and 5m od CW1308 cable.

I removed the DSL slitter fitted by openreach and resorted the master socket back to its standard way.

I wired the CW1308 cable to pins 2-5 on the master socket and the other end went to the A-B on the new NTE5 master socket and used the ADSL splitter plate on this socket that openreach fitted,this has my router and phone plugged in.


Now my issue is,was I ok using a NTE5 master socket as an extension?

Would it be better if I used CAT6 cable to wire this socket and bin the CW1308 as I want the best set up possible?

Or I have seen CAT6 RJ11-RJ11 DSL cables,would I be better plugging the router & phone back into the master socket and using an extension ADSL cable instead a 5m one?

It's not possible to have the router in the back bedroom due to wireless problems,so I need this 5m relocation of it through 2 thick walls.The master socket is in a really rubbish place!

Thanks!

If you have two masters then that is "wrong" and can have adverse effects.

The first termination on the line should be the master, and then wire to an extension (slave/secondary) socket from 2 & 5 to A&B as you have done. A master can easily be converted.

Should I convert by taking the front part of the socket off, and replacing with a slave front? Also I have a XTE-2005 in the draw would this fit a slave socket.

Only reason I used a NTE5 as the extension socket was I thought that was the only socket the ADSL faceplate's fit.

Also should I replace wiring with CAT6 twisted pair, solid core?

Actually, I'm wondering if the XTE-2005 can in a anyway be used hard wired to he extension, it does have A-B terminals on the rear, though I'm sure I tried this and didn't get voice from it, only DSL.

Edited by deleted (Mon 15-Dec-14 00:49:57)

If you want a filtered faceplate at an extension you need an ADSL Nation xtf faceplate with an empty back box, not a master back box and test socket.

Edit: But on reflection I'm beginning to think we need a clearer explanation.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 15-Dec-14 00:59:06)

I get it now,, this is wired of terminals 2-5. From the master socket.

And this is to be wired with CAT6 or the CW1308.

OK, the other issue is if I remember, when the open reach filtered faceplate was on,I couldn't work out how to do an extension from it, only a 'data' extension., I'm sure when connected pins 2-5 I didn't get voice.

This is my socket, ignore the router being plugged in direct, I cannot have it like that now

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For what it's worth I doubt you'll have problems with it like that. The extra "bell" capacitor in the original socket will go nowhere so it won't affect operation. There's also a spark gap and a resistor. Again I don't think they'll matter.

If you are only using one pair in a cable then there shouldn't be a difference between cat5, 5e and 6. If you are using more than one pair then the crosstalk performance becomes important.

I bought a filter like that from Maplin and it had two terminals on the filter for a DSL extension, and you could use the terminals on the original plate for a voice extension. If you want your phones to ring you almost certainly will need the extra wire (can't remember the colour off hand) but as it is on the "voice" side of the filter it won't affect ADSL.

The set up as it is,is only using 1pair in the wiring. It is CW1308 but it's not twisted pair. Which I thought it was.

With the nte5 as the master and a nte5 as the extension it's worked for a year that way with phone & broadband. Its only me now reading up as when I moved to sky my line started dropping at night so I started checking the socket I fitted, thought i had a fault,,it end up being DLM though. .

Obviously master socket would be better, and if I could used a ADSL lead (RJ11 TO RJ11) then that would stop me from needing another socket all together.




But as I was reading, I notice people not using nte5s as a extension socket.

In reply to a post by craggs:

Actually, I'm wondering if the XTE-2005 can in a anyway be used hard wired to he extension, it does have A-B terminals on the rear, though I'm sure I tried this and didn't get voice from it, only DSL.

It probably would work if you used a female phone plug on the extension rather than hard wire it to A-B on a filtered faceplate

OK, so if I was to fit the XTE-2005 onto the BT master socket faceplate, which pins would I use 2/5 or A/B to run to my extension socket which will have voice and ADSL from it,

At the min the bottom plate on the BT socket has 2/5 running to the extension sockets A/B,, the extension socket has a BT filleted plate on it.,,

This is my current set up,ive had to draw it hehe

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1. You want the openreach DSL splitter at the master i.e. like http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/faceplate/ there are two IDC connectors (see yellow arrow on http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/faceplate/images/test-s... and you want to wire a twisted pair cable to that.

2. Then at the extension you can use several options

a) If only ever using an ADSL modem at the extension then the modular RJ11 sockets with suitable box
b) If you might want phone and broadband at the extension then this sort of faceplate will do the job in a neat manner

In reply to a post by craggs:

OK, so if I was to fit the XTE-2005 onto the BT master socket faceplate, which pins would I use 2/5 or A/B to run to my extension socket which will have voice and ADSL from it,

It is possible when using CAT5 cable, for the extension, to use one pair for filtered voice and another pair for the raw unfiltered signal. This would mean using an unfiltered faceplate with dual voice and ADSL sockets at the required location of the router and phone. The pair carrying the raw unfiltered signal would be connected to the A-B terminals and filtered voice to terminals 2&5 on the filtered faceplate (XTE-2005) on the NTE5 (BT master socket.)

Having a CAT5 cable installed now gives you possible future options in terms of a gigabit LAN, VDSL, etc. when an additional filtered voice extension might be used.

Ah,,Ok.I thought the A/B on the openreach Splitter was for data only,and carried no voice,this is where I got confused a while back,as I connected a twisted pair to them,then connected them onto the A/B on the slave nte5 socket then fitted the filtered xte-2005 on,and i didnt get any voice,only internet.

I assume now because that is already filtered.

So just to clarify,I cannot use the NTE5 as the slave/extension socket,even if I decided to just connect it of the 2/5 master nte5 'without' any faceplate,i.e putting the openreach dsl splitter in a draw.,then just fitting my xte-2005 to the slave nte5?

The voice is ALWAYS present, even on the RJ11 lead going into the modem, the modems filter it out internally.

What the filters you have are doing is stopping noise and imbalance issues from extension wiring mucking up the DSL signal.

The NTE5 as a slave can be done if willing to butcher it a bit, probably work without any changes, but you might get issues, and is spotting this 'might' that is the issue.

It is confused when you say 2 and 5 on the master NTE, since with no faceplate it has no 2 & 5 to connect to. Do you mean 2&5 on a standard faceplate, this would work, but one day someone will plug a phone into the socket forgetting it needs a filter, hence my solution with no chance of this.

Thanks for your help,thats interesting regarding the voice, ,,and Yes sorry I mean putting the master socket back to standard faceplate as a standard NTE5.,connect pins 2/5 to A/B on the slave socket NTE5. then fit the XTE-2005 to the slave socket.

No worries with anyone plugging in a phone to it as I live alone.

I know that I could get away with also using a longer DSL cable of 3 metres and keep everything at the master socket,I'm not sure this is recommended though.

I do think I will just rewire using a the faceplate you and rob posted,but use CAT6 for my own piece of mind.

3m of dsl cable as long as twisted pair is fine

In reply to a post by craggs:

I know that I could get away with also using a longer DSL cable of 3 metres and keep everything at the master socket,I'm not sure this is recommended though.

Are you saying at Day 1 when you had a normal master, (possibly with XTE-2005), all you needed was a 3 metre cable to get to where you want the router?

No not on day one, basically the master is in my end bedroom, there is 2 walls to the lounge. To get it through one wall into my middle bedroom would need 3 metres (through drilled hole,and up in the air up on top of wardrobe for maximun potential signal) . to get the router on view to keep an eye on it and best signal (most ideal) in the lounge its 5 metres for it, it made it so much easier the router being in the lounge for Ethernet devices not having to run 4 cables,(smart TV,Xbox,media player,microserver.) and WiFi signal. Signal is way to low in back room thick old walls.

But now I'm thinking, I could live with reduced WiFi signal,although not ideal in the middle bedroom and I've been researching ethernet switches today and think now I could put the router through 1 wall into middle bedroom and run 1 Ethernet cable to this to a switch rather than a bunch, Also, I've found sky do a WiFi booster such may help for £20.

The thing is, perfect situation is router in lounge,but Id become a little confused with wiring a new extension in,although I'd done one, but with the wrong socket, and also had the bt filter on this which is wrong also.,I have the correct way now though thanks to you lot . I just want it stable,sky's DLM just gifted me 13.3mb which I don't want to mess up if I make a mistake and cause instability,its run twice in 2 wks because my router started warm restarting.,I have the hub now.

Just looking at it from different angles, so I can plan it correctly this time whilst I've a new router

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WHITE-INTERNAL-GRADE-CAT-6...

and

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111068527476?_trksid=p2060...

To go doen the extension from the A/B on the filtered bt plate are these better for the job,and the wire better than CW1308?

Thanks

Cat5 cable is enough, cat6 is overkill

But that will do the job

really Sorry,one last question shielded STP or unshielded UTP cable.

Thank for your help,appreciate it

Unshielded is perfectly fine

Thank you,,ordered

I chose the XTF-85 from adsl nation as the face-plate in the end,as I had good experience with the XTE-2005 reliability.It was virtually the same price.

This one, http://www.adslnation.com/products/xtf.php Rob linked to this one also.

This will connect onto the A/B on the BT filtered faceplate just the same I hope.

Yeap will work the same off the AB connections on the faceplate