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Standard User Michael_Chare
(knowledge is power) Fri 13-Oct-23 15:41:56
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Should there be a new NTE faceplate for BT Digital-Voice?


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Should there be a new NTE faceplate for BT Digital-Voice to connect any digital voice equipment to your home wiring instead of the previous analogue wiring?

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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Fri 13-Oct-23 18:48:56
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Re: Should there be a new NTE faceplate for BT Digital-Voice


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No, because digital voice will be from your router. If you are on FTTC, then your router will still connect as it always have the phone will just connect to the router, For fibre then you will have the ONT and your router connected to that and then your phone will be connected to your router, I presume unless it is connected directly to the ONT.
Not need for a new NTE faceplate. I want to get rid of mine to be honest if I can.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 13-Oct-23 19:26:41
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unless it is connected directly to the ONT.
ONT powered voice ports disappeared as the retail ISP/voice provider may not be the same as the fibre network provider.

e.g. Openreach providing the fibre, and Sky providing the ISP data services and voice services.

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Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 13-Oct-23 19:35:01
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Pretty sure FVA has been dead and buried for years. Openreach stopped putting voice ports on their ONTs before the pandemic.
Standard User jpm
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 13-Oct-23 20:06:31
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No. It's a waste to spend time developing such a product, and there are instructions that people want to DIY this type of solution can follow.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(knowledge is power) Fri 13-Oct-23 21:51:11
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No, because digital voice will be from your router. If you are on FTTC, then your router will still connect as it always have the phone will just connect to the router,
If you have a wired phones the present NTE faceplate will connect it to the incoming phone line. With BT digital voice wired phones will need to be connected the router with a suitable plug. Not everyone will manage to do this easily.

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Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 13-Oct-23 21:56:21
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With due respect, and doubtless I get get pilloried by the majority demographic (on here anyway), but extension wiring….like it’s 2023. It’s so niche no ISP other than good old A&A can be bothered dishing out instructions.
Standard User tdw42
(committed) Fri 13-Oct-23 22:17:31
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Openreach did trial a number of voice reinjection (VRI) faceplates which allowed a VoIP / Digital Voice analogue phone service to be connected to the fixed house extension wiring.

However, with the introduction of the NTE5c premises could have an NTE5c, an original NTE5 or an older style master socket so it isn't just a case of the ISP sending out one type of replacement service-specific faceplate (SSFP) which the customer could swap, it would either require the customer to correctly identify what type of master socket they have and/or an engineer visit.

Given the continued reduction in use of fixed wiring, e.g. many premises will have a cordless phones with a DECT base so it only requires the connection from that to the master socket to be moved to the ISP router phone socket, I suspect that VRI SSFPs were quietly dropped.
Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Sat 14-Oct-23 08:39:43
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If you have a wired phones the present NTE faceplate will connect it to the incoming phone line. With BT digital voice wired phones will need to be connected the router with a suitable plug. Not everyone will manage to do this easily.


I can see your point, these people will have to get someone in to do it. My next door neighbour have digital voice from Sky and I connected their extension to it. It was a waste of time as now they have disconnected it, got fed up with the spam calls.

a lot of people will get rid of the home phone, I think, the only reason most people have one is that it was available

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Standard User binary
(committed) Sat 14-Oct-23 10:45:59
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With due respect, and doubtless I get get pilloried by the majority demographic (on here anyway), but extension wiring….like it’s 2023. It’s so niche no ISP other than good old A&A can be bothered dishing out instructions.


Totally fair point.

However it's worth noting that telephone extention wiring kits have continued to be a staple item in DIY stores over recent years, which suggests there's been some demand.

There was also the advice about ensuring people have a wired phone alongside their cordless one in case of a power cut (advice which is defunct in a post-PSTN world!), and some suggestion (or was it even in the building regs for new builds for a period?) of having a wired extension upstairs.

There's also the somewhat niche but quite real issue of buildings with thick walls.

I can well imagine, as the switch to DV goes on, some people being quite surprised that all their intricate home extension wiring suddently means nowt (unless they opt for a voice reinjection solution).

That said, it's easy to see it all becoming a relic of the past in households, a bit like disused gas piping to rooms for gas fires, or in grander properties (perhaps subsequently converted to flats) the remains of maids or servants call bell systems.
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