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Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Tue 26-Apr-11 17:14:07
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Thinking of getting Virgin Media


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I was thinking of getting 50MB Virgin Media and I have a few questions.
1) Is it throttled? Are Usenets throttled?
2) Does it have free Usenet access?
Standard User Sark
(legend) Tue 26-Apr-11 17:50:13
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Yes, usenet is throttled and quite severely in the evenings. I get about 700 KB/s on 50 Mb, which is not that bad really! (If you're in a real hurry you can work around it and get full 50 Mb goodness by using SSL on port 443. )

I think VM do have their own usenet servers. I don't know how good they are though.

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Standard User _SimonLH_
(newbie) Tue 26-Apr-11 19:24:28
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They moderate P2P traffic from 5pm to Midnight on weekdays and midday to midnight on weekends. More on this LINK


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Standard User ceedee
(committed) Tue 26-Apr-11 20:29:15
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Re: Thinking of getting Virgin Media


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VM do have their own (external) free usenet service which covers most of the more popular groups - the only problem is the retention is dreadful: maybe 4 days!
However download speeds are perfect outside of the throttled periods.

I think VM still offer a 'no quibble' 30-day money-back guarantee if you're not happy with the service.
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Tue 26-Apr-11 20:58:19
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What are their servers?
Standard User ceedee
(committed) Tue 26-Apr-11 21:17:57
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The server is at news.virginmedia.com but I suspect you can only access it from a VM IP.
The service is actually provided by Highwinds in Amsterdam.
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Wed 27-Apr-11 07:13:26
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Re: Thinking of getting Virgin Media


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Does anyone know the what the download speeds are like on VMs Usenet servers?
Standard User GrimUpNorth
(member) Wed 27-Apr-11 07:51:20
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I've just downloaded something from the VM news server and SABnzbd reported a speed of 3.75MB/s - I'm on 30meg so thats pretty much full speed.

If I download at 'peak' times it can drop as low as 1MB/s, but normally I get around 2MB/s. The traffic shaping is related to overall network load so is dynamic in nature.

I find the retention is at around 7 days - sometimes you'll be lucky and get longer, but don't rely on it.

Cheers
Grim
Standard User GMAN98
(committed) Wed 27-Apr-11 08:14:19
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As its a free usenet service I would also check their retention time and also that it has the groups you are interested in
Standard User ceedee
(committed) Wed 27-Apr-11 08:52:49
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In reply to a post by Darkness123:
Does anyone know the what the download speeds are like on VMs Usenet servers?

I'm on the 20Mb service and get very close to 20Mb download speed when using 20 connections from VM's own usenet server except during throttled periods.
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Wed 27-Apr-11 16:33:53
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What is the real upload speed?
I have read it's up to 5Mbit
Standard User Sark
(legend) Wed 27-Apr-11 16:41:31
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Depends if your area has been upgraded yet. If it has you get 5 Mbit if not you get 1.5 Mbit.

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Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Wed 27-Apr-11 17:19:22
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How can I find out if my area is enabled or not?

Edit: Nevermind. The list is http://shop.virginmedia.com/content/dam/allyours/pdf...

Edited by Darkness123 (Wed 27-Apr-11 17:22:34)

Standard User pete_thomson
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 28-Apr-11 09:46:49
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Usenet is only throttled on the NNTP and NNTP SSL ports. On other ports it does not seem affected by throttling

I get 6.2MB/s from Astraweb via port 443, and I hit nearly 15MB/s (effective) on headers due to compression.

Virgin Media 50Mb/s
50.56Mb/s - 1.63Mb/s - 26ms @ 04/12/2009
http://www.speedtest.net/result/641806789.png
Standard User pete_thomson
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 28-Apr-11 09:49:04
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In reply to a post by Darkness123:
How can I find out if my area is enabled or not?

Edit: Nevermind. The list is http://shop.virginmedia.com/content/dam/allyours/pdf...


That's an old list - here is the up to date one:
http://shop.virginmedia.com/content/dam/allyours/pdf...

Virgin Media 50Mb/s
50.56Mb/s - 1.63Mb/s - 26ms @ 04/12/2009
http://www.speedtest.net/result/641806789.png
Standard User phillyboy111
(newbie) Thu 28-Apr-11 12:30:55
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Re: Thinking of getting Virgin Media


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THe service is good but it is severely throttled for Usenet and P2P.
The Virgin Usenet is useless really hardly any retention.

Try Giganews Diamond service, comes with a boat load of free add ons and half price at the moment, almost 1000 days retention and 50 Connections.
I would check the upload speed as you might not live in a 5Meg enabled area at the moment.

Its a reliable service but I would consider if you really need 50Meg, if you are getting it for Usenet then you can only really use it at full speed after midnight and between 10am and 3pm.
You do have no real limit to how much you can download unless it is excessive to the point of you downloading more than a whole street.
Your upload speed is regulated to a max of 6000MB between 3PM and 6PM, if you exceed this usage then you will be throttled to 65% of your max speed for 5hrs.
Some people think that using SSL will get you around this policy but it doesn't really work and Virgin are now monitoring port 563 so it wont be long till they tie this down as well.

We have the Power lets take it back!!
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Thu 28-Apr-11 12:48:45
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Thanks for the information.
I won't be uploading. I just wanted to know the speed.
Their Usenet service will be good enough. I don't really want 500+ day retention. 1 week is okay.
Thanks
Standard User anon123456
(regular) Thu 28-Apr-11 16:22:01
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I have not found throttling of P2P to be very serious at all, I regularly use bit torrent at close to line speed about 6MB/sec down, even in the evenings.

The new upload is being rolled out, once you're on the new upload the STM restrictions change a bit, the 50mbit package gets 5mbit up but you get an evening cap of 6Gb of upload, that's the only cap the evening DL has no cap and the daytime for both has no cap.

I don't know if the VM Usenet servers are any good I've never connected before, I do know that many users have got around throttling by forcing usenet traffic over SSL (port 443)

They claim that P2P throttling is at the network level evenly for everyone but I've never really seen this as an issue, others seem to think it's slow, does anyone know why some people are seeing throttling and others aren't?
Standard User Sark
(legend) Thu 28-Apr-11 17:18:33
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Some people think that using SSL will get you around this policy but it doesn't really work and Virgin are now monitoring port 563 so it wont be long till they tie this down as well.
True, SSL doesn't work on port 563. I think they are just restricting everything that goes through that port. However, SSL on port 443 does work. When I change from 563 to 443 my usenet downloads go from 700 KB/s to 6 MB/s. I don't see how they can ever stop that without restricting encrypted web traffic as well or by restricting well known IPs of usenet providers. The latter does sound like it would be quite expensive to implement though.

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Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Sat 30-Apr-11 18:15:26
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Thanks everyone.
I have ordered Virgin Media now. My slow speed has been annoying me for a while. Now I will get 50MB laugh
Standard User ceedee
(committed) Sun 01-May-11 13:25:58
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Re: Thinking of getting Virgin Media


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Excellent - welcome to VM!

Let us know how the installation goes and what you think of the service after a few days?
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Mon 02-May-11 16:27:28
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In reply to a post by ceedee:
Excellent - welcome to VM!

Let us know how the installation goes and what you think of the service after a few days?


If I can get more than 10MB I will be happy.
Standard User ceedee
(committed) Mon 02-May-11 16:30:10
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In reply to a post by Darkness123:
In reply to a post by ceedee:
Excellent - welcome to VM!

Let us know how the installation goes and what you think of the service after a few days?

If I can get more than 10MB I will be happy.

Given that 10MB/s = 80Mb/s, I reckon a lot of people with the 50Mb service would be happy with that!
smile
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Mon 02-May-11 20:43:54
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I meant 10Mbits not 10Mbytes
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Sun 08-May-11 21:22:36
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It didn't get installed.
It's weird. It seems my house is not wired for it. But their website says, I should get it. The engineer is looking into it.

Edited by Darkness123 (Sun 08-May-11 21:22:55)

Standard User ceedee
(committed) Sun 08-May-11 21:25:22
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Damn. Hope it gets sorted out for you.
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Mon 09-May-11 08:29:06
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When I signed into My Virgin Media. I get:
Account disconnected.
Your account has been disconnected. You can access your Virgin Media Mail and apps, like Backup & Storage, for up to 90 days after your disconnection date. Please ensure that you retrieve all important emails and files before this time.

So I think it was cancelled.
Standard User sandmonster
(newbie) Mon 09-May-11 21:43:21
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In reply to a post by Darkness123:
Thanks everyone.
I have ordered Virgin Media now. My slow speed has been annoying me for a while. Now I will get 50MB laugh

That's what you thought - but we're talking Virgin here - hope it gets sorted - stay patient - you'll need to with Virgin's customer service staff - & be prepared for wireless droputs if you're getting a superhub
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Tue 31-May-11 18:39:31
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I have now gotten VirginMedia.
Thanks all.
Standard User ceedee
(committed) Wed 01-Jun-11 10:30:30
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Congratulations!

Are you happy with the speed of your connection?
Try checking your speed connecting to the London server on Speedtest.net?
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Sun 19-Jun-11 20:38:39
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http://www.speedtest.net/result/1348722192.png
50.10/4.68

The download speed can go down to 48 sometimes, but I think that is due to congestion.

Edited by Darkness123 (Sun 19-Jun-11 20:41:22)

Standard User ceedee
(committed) Sun 19-Jun-11 20:40:17
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Excellent results. Congratulations and welcome to 'real' broadband!
smile
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Sun 19-Jun-11 20:43:16
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I know. It is great not having to wait long time for downloads to finish.
Also I am thinking of getting the TV with it as well.
Is their TV service any good?

Edited by Darkness123 (Sun 19-Jun-11 20:43:39)

Standard User ceedee
(committed) Sun 19-Jun-11 22:10:44
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No idea, I'm afraid. I don't have a tv...

Suggest you take a look in the TV section of the Cable Forum website.
Standard User kwikbreaks
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 19-Jun-11 22:13:14
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In reply to a post by Darkness123:
Is their TV service any good?
I don't know from personal experience but I do know that my neighbour has cancelled his and moved to Sky and says the pictures are vastly better. He also mentioned that quite often he couldn't get some on-demand content because it was over-subscribed (means nothing to me as I don't have VM TV).
Standard User Darkness123
(experienced) Mon 20-Jun-11 07:16:34
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Thank you. I will check there.
Standard User djfunkdup
(committed) Mon 20-Jun-11 07:56:41
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got virgin tv here Darkness

no probs with it...tv xl with v+hd box,does what it is supposed to do with no interuptions..

only thing that i would say on a negative note is,sometimes there can be a slight lag when switching between the options in the menu..not really an issue but it can be annoying sometimes......wink

hope this helps...any questions i can help you with,just ask....

Standard User aj2703
(experienced) Mon 20-Jun-11 19:51:20
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Just being nosey but why do people use the VM service for sky etc. Would it not be cheaper to go direct with sky?.
Standard User pete_thomson
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 20-Jun-11 21:27:48
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No need for a dish & no need to pay 2 seperate bills are the only 2 reasons that spring to mind (but I don't get TV from Sky or VM so I'm clueless)

Virgin Media 50Mb/s
53.34Mb/s - 1.65Mb/s - 29ms @ 24/05/2011
http://speedtest.net/result/1310626245.png
Standard User m00g
(newbie) Wed 06-Jul-11 20:59:00
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the great comments.

I've just (finally!) moved to the UK. I'm looking at living in areas like Hertford or similar, and it looks like that my only option for fast internet is cable (FTTC unavailble, or a tentative date in December 2011) and thus Virgin.

Are there any significant downsides (i guess if it is my only option then there aren't any!), or anything that I should be aware of?

I'll be mostly web-browsing and usenet-ting..... I have read the above comments on Usenet throttling.....


Also there seems to be some discrepancy between the Virgin checker and SamKnows? Is this usual?

Edited by m00g (Wed 06-Jul-11 21:25:34)

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