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Regretting taking that offer so good you couldn't refuse it yet?

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Sep-13 18:07:51)

Evidently so good you can't remember posting that you don't download much anymore a couple of days ago as there's nothing left to download and would be fine with a 3 mobile connection.

Any chance of a look at your storage array?

You download stuff then format it off the drive?

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Sep-13 18:38:21)

Probably going to regret asking this... what's the point in downloading content then deleting it without using it?

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Sep-13 18:40:46)

That's a very strange thing to do but to each their own.

More fool VM for offering you a deal to continue to do that.

Edited by deleted (Sun 15-Sep-13 18:45:35)

"always happy to use as much as possible"

Why?

I have a nice brick wall should you fancy banging your head against it. That would be far more productive that arguing with the poster you have chosen to question.

The same reason people use caravans or happily drive at 30mph on a 60mph road - because they can - there is no law against it. Unfortunately there will always be a selfish minority who don't care how much they delay, disrupt and annoy others using a shared resource.

Fool or not I don't contradict myself with every other post I make. I'll leave it to others to judge who is the biggest fool posting on this board.

One can be cited for driving slowly as they are not making due progress.

Edited by deleted (Mon 16-Sep-13 17:36:19)

Yes, thanks for the correction, now I think about it you are actually far worse than others who just over use a shared service. You actually go out of your way to inconvenience others.

Consider applying the same standards to yourself that you ascribe to others, Sir.

Before you comment I saw that thread in the list on the home page and thought it referred to fixed line stuff so took a look.

I would say that if that guy's use of P2P is causing issues that's your provider's problem, not his.

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

Right,

So then it's safe to assume that people who download more than me and have no STM are also getting your scrawny remarks? Because I have STM so I don't do hardly anything from 4-11PM

When my downloading at 4am starts to affect you in your part of the world - then come back and tell me. Until then - not interested.

It's our providers problem not mine!

Someone put on here that they did 15TB in a month outside of STM hours - no one said anything. So I don't care what you think little keyboard warrior.

That was me and in the future I shall be doing similar again.... it is just that right now my 100 down service is so over subscribed that there is no point except for that short 2am to 7am window. I got this connection to use it not just to say i had it and as you say pcov, if I am paying for it why not.

Whilst others seem to want to flame you for your attitude, I applaud you for telling it as it is. The failings are due to VM selling high when they cannot produce the goods. You sir are just using what you were sold as I am wont to do.

Do you think VM have realised that not all computer users are lemmings yet? Some of us have found other, perfectly legal, uses for computers and connections and in my particular instance this is mostly charitable on the computer side and a matter of principal on the connection. With the recent revelations about NSA I am surprised that the likes of TOR have not put ISP's under even more pressure on their infrastructure.

I own a copy of Windows but I use Linux where I can. No matter what it might offer I would not pay through the nose for Apple anything. I feel this does not make me better than anyone else, just perhaps a little more independent in my thinking. The Flat Earth society hold no interest for me and I am pleased to see your civility in reply to those that feel they can dictate the use of others.

They aren't dictating they are just showing him , you and people like you, for being what you are - inconsiderate and greedy. The fact that he is downloading more in an hour than he could watch, legally or not, is disgusting. Its in the same ballpark as pushing children out of the way so you can get on the lifeboat first.

Virgin media and other ISPs have a model to work to and while they do have to take into account a certain amount of heavy downloaders and balance that up with light users, there is no way a residential service should have to cope with industrial use; indeed, VM's terms and conditions have this included:

Use the services in a way that: (i) risks degradation of service levels to other customers; (ii) puts our system at risk; and/or (iii) is not in keeping with that reasonably expected of a residential customer. If we believe that you are using the services in any of these ways, we are entitled to reduce, suspend and/or terminate any or all of the services without giving you notice.

Postulate as much as you like but there is nothing you could be doing legally on a residential line that would need 15 TB a month. If you are going to make the other VM users have a miserable connection at least have the guts to be honest about what you do.

In reply to a post by kamelion:

there is nothing you could be doing legally on a residential line that would need 15 TB a month.

But as I posted before there is - http://www.majestic12.co.uk/

Whether that is asensible useor not is by no means certaibn

In reply to a post by OldChapXS:

Do you think VM have realised that not all computer users are lemmings yet?

Hi, Sir.

Just wanted to ask which computer users fall into your classification as 'lemmings'?

Much as you pay for all the gas, electricity & water you consume, I expect that the day will eventually come when ISPs will start to charge for all the bandwith that users consume. Why should broadband usage be any different?

Edited by deleted (Sat 21-Sep-13 15:29:14)

The flat assertion that "there is nothing you could be doing legally on a residential line that would need 15 TB a month" only shows me that you lack certain knowledge. That such use is unusual I will grant you.

Just for fun you might consider calculating the theoretical throughput of a 120/12 connection and where you would end up if only using it for say 8 hours rather than the 17 hours of a weekday or 12 hours at a weekend that fall outside of limitations.

Folks who elect to be part of any setup like Majestic 12 are probably those same folks who feel that Google has become something of a monopoly that is dictating terms even to governments and would like to find an alternate. all power to them..Part of VM's planning must take into account that there will be maybe 10% of folks that actually want to use what they pay for, users that might get into the realms of 50% or more of the theoretical throughput, users who actually don't really give a damn about the headline speed but buy into it for the additional bandwidth allowance.

I am prone to looking at the caps that are imposed and simply think "if I get that service and run my usage in line with those caps than I can achieve what I set out to do" I consider that letting VM reduce my speed to a point of their choosing and running with it works for me. Do I do this all the time? NO

The lemmings I refer to are those who live for the likes of facebook, love Google and don't give a damn about the direction that internet use is taking.

Although not a user myself I would think that TOR installed on a computer or two could effectively increase internet use

I suspect that if users paid for internet use in the same manner they do for electricity, ISP's would struggle to show investors their income is stable. Notice how cell phone packages have changed over the years?

kamelion: That you consider me inconsiderate and greedy is again showing me that you don't have all the information you need. ~10% of my income is spent on charitable work in the hope of making this world a better place. Altruistic? maybe but we each of us live our lives differently and how we use our connections reflects this.

I think you can allow this system to run a relay on your rig(s) where rather than being the "end user" you become one of a number of steps in a route from a to b for many others

In reply to a post by OldChapXS:

The lemmings I refer to are those who live for the likes of facebook, love Google and don't give a damn about the direction that internet use is taking.

I would probably fall into that group given my main personal email address is GMail, I use You Tube a fair bit, am on Facebook and Twitter and my main search engine is Google as I value convenience and accessibility over anything else.

Well, I'm on Facebook when I'm not working on large corporate networks, SDN and cloud based xaaS, which is the direction my Internet is taking.

Bummer. I'm a lemming. Glad I live inland.

When I next catch him I'll ask VM's head capacity planning bod if they do provision for people who are several standard deviations above normal usage and consume 50% of maximum theoretical throughput.

Going by the statistics I've seen that group is closer to 0.01% than they are 10% though which is actually pretty fortunate as UK levels of pricing would be impossible to sustain if 10% were using 50% of their maximums. The usual capacity planning models budget, depending on the operator, 200 - 500kbps per customer with a relatively limited usage increase when bandwidth increases closer to 30% increase in usage with a tripling or quadrupling of headline speed, not a 150 - 200% increase in usage already 20+ times the average usage and an even higher multiple of the median.

I'm not going to comment on what people actually pay for as that'll be a quite circular discussion, though I find it an extremely sweeping statement suggesting I either don't give a damn or don't know which direction Internet usage is taking because I choose convenience over Linux everything.

Usage is rising thanks almost entirely to increased usage of streaming services - 1 out of every 6 minutes of visual content consumed now is VoD. ISPs are quite aware of this and are budgeting capacity appropriately.

Incidentally cell phone plans changed because operators were simply paying each other charges for placing calls to one another's networks and they were cancelling one another out. No such luxury on Internet access. Settlement free peering is about as close as it goes; transit costs money and above all access network infrastructure costs money.

I'm not going to comment on your or anyone else's usage but just as you think I'm a 'lemming' for using Facebook and Google I consider you naive for thinking that the levels of usage that would apparently make us ignorance masses no longer lemmings are sustainable with the quality of service and costs we have at this time.

Idealistic, which is a good characteristic, but phenomenally naive.

A little reading for you. There's a really good reason why charges get cheaper per Mbps as bandwidth increases, operators know that the increase in usage is way lower than the headline speed increase. This model breaks we all pay more. Much more.

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

I had a look at TOR it's a browser based on FF with a piece of encryption software that you run when you start it and connects to a public bridge. I didn't see any reason why my BW usage would increase to be honest. But then again I didn't really go into what it could do.

Well that's the TOR I downloaded from the projects website anyway.

When you join TOR you become a relay, it's a peer to peer network. You'll be routing traffic for other people.

If you're feeling really suicidal you could become a TOR endpoint and have, amongst a little HTTP for the paranoid, people's P2P and kiddie porn going out to the Internet with your IP address on it.

Edited by deleted (Sun 22-Sep-13 17:13:58)

I wouldn't talk too much about that project if I were you, VM may sit up and take notice of this Private Limited Company getting home users to use their own residential broadband services to operate their business. It would appear to be in direct contravention of the terms of their VM residential broadband contracts and could lead to immediate disconnection.

Edited by Daemon66 (Mon 23-Sep-13 09:47:04)

I doubt it's against any T&C. The VM customer has no financial interest in the project.

I bet one lawyer will say yes it is and another will say no its not.

I bet you're probably correct. I doubt many if any VM customers run it anyway.

Of course they will. If your pc is constantly scanning the internet (mounting up 15TB of data by crawling websites), you are having a detrimental affect on other users. What these people don't realise is that it doesn't matter if you schedule your downloads for outside peak hours or not you are still affecting other users. We don't all work 9-5

You appear to have missed the point. The original premise put forward was that there is no completely legal way to chew through the vast amounts of data being claimed. I mentioned MJ12 to show that there is. Whether or not it is a reasonable thing to do on a home connection is irrelevant as is whether or not it's against ISP T&C the point is that it is 100% legal.

Of course the most likely reason for consuming terabytes of data is that copyright infringing video data downloading and streaming is taking place.

As it happens the one time I did run the MJ12 crawler was to "persuade" the ISP that I really wasn't the sort of customer they needed and t releaseme 3 months early (there wereother grounds too concerning their shoddy implementation of the IWF filter which blocked more than it should at times including some of my backups) although in truth it was more their new customer pricing that annoyed me.

Edited by kwikbreaks (Wed 25-Sep-13 10:48:16)