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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 05-Feb-17 10:25:32
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Sister asked me a question about the Superhub..


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I don't know the answer so could you please tell me if the Tivo 6 still has it's own connection? She says Virgin says that it has to be connected to the superhub, Is it using the broadband connection now?

Thanks
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 05-Feb-17 10:40:05
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Re: Sister asked me a question about the Superhub..


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Is it using the broadband connection now?

The info page http://www.virginmedia.com/shop/tv/v6.html says you need VIVID 100 or higher to upgrade to TV6, and they show the hub and TV6 boxes side by side, and the text says:
"Brilliant TV and a fast connection make an unbeatable combination. For your Virgin TV V6 box to work best, we’ll set your Virgin Media Hub up close to it and connect them with an Ethernet cable."


Apparently the older TiVo boxes can be linked together on the home network now with a TV6 (all over ethernet, or homeplug !) and you can see / watch recordings from either in one place !

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 05-Feb-17 10:42:43
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Re: Sister asked me a question about the Superhub..


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Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. I'll go read that link now.

If this is just to stream stuff around the house then it's something she won't need he house is so small that would be pointless for her.

Maybe they say you need this for the cost? If it's going to use the internet then whilst it would be okay for her it's not ideal. Assuming the net works fast enough to actually do the 4K etc they advertise.


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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 05-Feb-17 12:57:24
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Re: Sister asked me a question about the Superhub..


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I guess it's like my CCTV which is uploaded from 1 router. The PC connected to it can stream it in HD from the router without the internet connection, So this (I hope) will be similar as her family would kick off if the TV took up all the bandwidth

Thanks again for the info
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sun 05-Feb-17 13:46:12
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The set top does not impinge on the broadband service, much the same as the VoIP service doesn't, though they do both connect through the Superhub.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 05-Feb-17 13:55:46
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The set top does not impinge on the broadband service, much the same as the VoIP service doesn't, though they do both connect through the Superhub.


Thanks for the clarification. She will be happy to hear that. I was hoping it still had it's own internet connection like before.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 05-Feb-17 14:29:05
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Thanks for the clarification. She will be happy to hear that. I was hoping it still had it's own internet connection like before.

I understand the problem is the modem in the old TiVo is old spec and quite slow, and limiting the speed of the user interface. So I guess the TV 6 box doesn't bother with a data connection modem and uses the separate internet connection where the modem/hub can be upgraded easily. This will be for stuff like Netflix, maybe BBC iPlayer and the menu system, and the actual television programmes will come down the cable. (standard, HD and 4K).

I think you can now (maybe a software update on TiVo boxes) connect the TiVo and TV 6 boxes all to the same home network and then see programmes recorded on any of them. That sounds similar to the feature that DirecTV in the USA call "Whole Home DVR".

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Edited by jchamier (Sun 05-Feb-17 14:30:25)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sun 05-Feb-17 15:38:23
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I understand the problem is the modem in the old TiVo is old spec and quite slow, and limiting the speed of the user interface. So I guess the TV 6 box doesn't bother with a data connection modem and uses the separate internet connection where the modem/hub can be upgraded easily. This will be for stuff like Netflix, maybe BBC iPlayer and the menu system, and the actual television programmes will come down the cable. (standard, HD and 4K).


Pretty much. Cable and other technologies support separation between services so that, while they all draw on the same pool of bandwidth delivered to the local area, they are not impinging on the Internet service.

Whether VM are doing this straight away I don't know, but they certainly will be.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 05-Feb-17 15:58:32
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Cheers for the info guys. I sent her a link to here and she is happy. Yes I remember the old Tivo, I could cook an omelette in the time it took Netflix to load on it. I see this one is super fast which is brill. The 6 tuners is insane to me. I am dead against the internet in this area, but if her TV is as good as people seem to say it is then I might get it installed for me.

It says that you can have 2 boxes and record 12 shows, that's possibly a bit insane unless you have a really really large family.

Edited by 23Prince (Sun 05-Feb-17 15:59:12)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sun 05-Feb-17 17:20:31
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It says that you can have 2 boxes and record 12 shows, that's possibly a bit insane unless you have a really really large family.


It is of course ridiculous but for some reason number of tuners has become an e-peen measurement for set tops.

If you need to record 5 different things while watching a sixth you probably need to re-evaluate your life, as TV is far too large a part of it.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 05-Feb-17 17:43:01
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If you need to record 5 different things while watching a sixth you probably need to re-evaluate your life, as TV is far too large a part of it.

I would agree, but I know a family of 6 whom all have very different tastes, so record things in prime hours, and watch during day/evening. They have Sky Q so have mini boxes in other parts of the home - something Virgin's TV 6 doesn't yet do. (maybe the tablet app is the equivalent).

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Sun 05-Feb-17 18:02:16
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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
In reply to a post by 23Prince:
It says that you can have 2 boxes and record 12 shows, that's possibly a bit insane unless you have a really really large family.


It is of course ridiculous but for some reason number of tuners has become an e-peen measurement for set tops.

If you need to record 5 different things while watching a sixth you probably need to re-evaluate your life, as TV is far too large a part of it.


Agreed, She would need to record 2 I think. She works in the Police so her only sort of downtime is catching up on her TV. Personally I'd need 3 maybe 4 as I'd go legal and get everything through VM and not stream from IPTV sites. Kids stuff and the wife loves all the shows on MTV. so that would be 2 taken right away.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Wed 08-Feb-17 11:07:19
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Thanks for the help all. The engineer explained it to me and as I understand it - the superhub now has 2 sections to it - one for the Tivo feed and one for the internet feed, rather than the Tivo having it's own connection built into it.

The tivo, my god it's fast. Making me re considering it for TV again
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 08-Feb-17 12:05:05
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Yes. More technically:

Service flows are the fundamental units in DOCSIS 1.1 for QoS provisioning. DOCSIS 1.1 allows multiple service flows per cable modem. This means that different types of traffic, such as data, voice, and video, can be separately identified on the same cable modem. This separate identity provides specialized QoS treatment as per traffic needs.


Standard data has a service flow, the VoIP service another that guarantees 64k on demand, the video another that'll have a higher priority than the standard data one, but lower than voice. They all use the one big pool of bandwidth, but for all other purposes are completely separate. It's basically like having three cable modems in the same box.
Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Wed 08-Feb-17 12:36:16
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Yes. More technically:

Service flows are the fundamental units in DOCSIS 1.1 for QoS provisioning. DOCSIS 1.1 allows multiple service flows per cable modem. This means that different types of traffic, such as data, voice, and video, can be separately identified on the same cable modem. This separate identity provides specialized QoS treatment as per traffic needs.


Standard data has a service flow, the VoIP service another that guarantees 64k on demand, the video another that'll have a higher priority than the standard data one, but lower than voice. They all use the one big pool of bandwidth, but for all other purposes are completely separate. It's basically like having three cable modems in the same box.


Which means should the SH die for any reason, the whole system is crippled. And when you think of it like that the old system was probably better, however I've been playing with the Tivo for a few hours Very very impressed with it.

The broadband, meh, it's slower than her BT- but at least the TV Player app she uses for a few things she does not get on Virgin on the full house bundle (baby tv etc) does not buffer. Of course she could just get it on Virgin, it's the same price.

I also assume the V6 is faster because the old connection in previous models slowed the interface and stuff down?

Edited by 23Prince (Wed 08-Feb-17 12:38:51)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Feb-17 19:57:30
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Re: Sister asked me a question about the Superhub..


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So I guess the question is can you speed up the old Tivo box (not TV6) by plugging it into the Superhub? And if you have the superhub in modem mode and several floors between the two, does that affect it?

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Wed 08-Feb-17 21:38:57
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So I guess the question is can you speed up the old Tivo box (not TV6) by plugging it into the Superhub? And if you have the superhub in modem mode and several floors between the two, does that affect it?


I was wondering if the od box was slowed down by having it's own connection.

In any case, the V6 is very very fast, it's about time they got it right -and that they have I believe
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 08-Feb-17 22:37:44
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So I guess the question is can you speed up the old Tivo box (not TV6) by plugging it into the Superhub? And if you have the superhub in modem mode and several floors between the two, does that affect it?


No. The restriction on the old TiVo is due to ancient hardware in terms of CPU and RAM.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 09-Feb-17 21:09:34
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No. The restriction on the old TiVo is due to ancient hardware in terms of CPU and RAM.

Makes sense, thanks.

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Standard User dragon2611
(experienced) Fri 10-Feb-17 12:28:28
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The set top does not impinge on the broadband service, much the same as the VoIP service doesn't, though they do both connect through the Superhub.


How does this work if you want to run the SH3 in modem mode, does the Tivo still connect directly to the SH3?

Edit: Also does netflix on the V6 come from the internet queue/profile or the TV one then (If as you say it's separate)

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Edited by dragon2611 (Fri 10-Feb-17 12:39:11)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Fri 10-Feb-17 15:17:42
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How does this work if you want to run the SH3 in modem mode, does the Tivo still connect directly to the SH3?

Edit: Also does netflix on the V6 come from the internet queue/profile or the TV one then (If as you say it's separate)


In modem mode the TiVo connects to the router you're using.

Netflix and everything else to and from the TiVo will use the TV service flow. Netflix is quite integrated into the TiVo and people are likely to get upset if their downloads break the TV service through their VM set top.

I've a suspicion it's not separate everywhere yet, though, reading some posts. I'll look into this some more.
Standard User dragon2611
(experienced) Fri 10-Feb-17 15:36:09
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In Which case I better make sure the Tivo traffic ends up hitting VM's network directly.

Going to have an L2TP to AAISP to keep my static IP/IPv6's, Moving somewhere where the options were VM or ADSL2+ and the cabling for VM was already in.

Might still end up with an ADSL2+ line if the latency on VM end up being poor.

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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Fri 10-Feb-17 19:34:13
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In Which case I better make sure the Tivo traffic ends up hitting VM's network directly.

Going to have an L2TP to AAISP to keep my static IP/IPv6's, Moving somewhere where the options were VM or ADSL2+ and the cabling for VM was already in.

Might still end up with an ADSL2+ line if the latency on VM end up being poor.


As I have said before, whilst her intenret is "meh" the tivo and especially Netflix is dam dam fast. From home page to watching House of Cards which is UHD - 9 seconds. including the Netflix loading time

Edited by 23Prince (Fri 10-Feb-17 19:34:26)

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