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Standard User Adamant
(legend) Wed 22-Jul-20 08:28:08
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Hub4 Ethernet port speeds


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With Gig1 on the horizon for everyone, does anyone know if there's any plans to offer a new hub with faster ethernet ports as at ~1100mbps connection speed I can't get a router in modem mode to take advantage of the speeds!

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 22-Jul-20 09:16:07
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Re: Hub4 Ethernet port speeds


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With Gig1 on the horizon for everyone, does anyone know if there's any plans to offer a new hub with faster ethernet ports as at ~1100mbps connection speed I can't get a router in modem mode to take advantage of the speeds!

Maybe they will allow you to bond (LACP) two ports? Some third party routers let you do this for WAN.

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Standard User Adduxi
(newbie) Wed 22-Jul-20 12:47:40
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With Gig1 on the horizon for everyone, does anyone know if there's any plans to offer a new hub with faster ethernet ports as at ~1100mbps connection speed I can't get a router in modem mode to take advantage of the speeds!


This has been discussed in great lengths over in the VM Forums. It looks like the Hub4, and all preceeding Hubs are built to a cost, so yes the Hub4 has only 10/100/1000 ports. The cost of providing a 2.5GB port I guess would prove prohibitive.


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Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Wed 22-Jul-20 16:04:37
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Re: Hub4 Ethernet port speeds


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As a user of the Hub 4 and looking at this for a while, answer is currently NO!

As mentioned the ability to bond ports for use with dual wan router is something that could be done but not currently and probably never will be.

I think the advertising of is a bit flawed on the Gig1 service and also think the speed definitions on their website needs to be changed to reflect speeds in modem mode.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Thu 23-Jul-20 14:46:07
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Re: Hub4 Ethernet port speeds


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As a user of the Hub 4 and looking at this for a while, answer is currently NO!

As mentioned the ability to bond ports for use with dual wan router is something that could be done but not currently and probably never will be.

I think the advertising of is a bit flawed on the Gig1 service and also think the speed definitions on their website needs to be changed to reflect speeds in modem mode.


Though of course a simple software update to run LACP across a pair of GigE ports to a switch then running a 2.5/5/10 Gb port to a router, nothing at all to do with dual WAN as that's 2 distinct connections, shouldn't be a major problem.

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Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Thu 23-Jul-20 15:02:23
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That simple huh.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Thu 23-Jul-20 15:27:41
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Yup.

As it won't be handling gigabit upstream it's not like it has to be smart. Software change required, nothing else.

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Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Thu 23-Jul-20 15:32:44
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I was being facetious.

The whole point of these hubs is to keep it simple and all in one for the customer whilst fulfilling their half of the contract which is supplying service promised.

Obviously 2 'additional" pieces of kit and some advanced know how isn't doing that.

Anyway pointless discussion, I'm past caring and seems many others are also.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Thu 23-Jul-20 16:33:51
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Cool, then all is well and people will roll with the terms and conditions.

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Standard User R0NSKI
(knowledge is power) Sun 26-Jul-20 10:04:50
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The majority don't use modem mode either, so even if Carl's idea was reality it would make no difference to those that didn't care, or didn't have a clue, but of course would benefit those that did and wanted the extra expense.

Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Sun 26-Jul-20 13:35:46
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I would imagine people with the necessary kit to use 2.5 Gb Ethernet are probably pretty comfortable with ticking a box on their own router to enable a LAG. It's pretty painless, no advanced know how needed.

The device I have on access point due here has a single box to tick and it'll build a 2 Gb LAG, so a software change from VM to allow it, have it in router mode, and good to go.

I've seen a few cable modems have LACP enabled on them for exactly these reasons so I'm sure it won't be a major issue.

As we go beyond 2 Gb being adequate that'll be time for 10 GbE kit. However how many of us have that at home?

Looks like there are more serious issues that need addressing with that thing first.

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Standard User KilgoreTrout
(newbie) Tue 04-Aug-20 13:52:50
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The VM gigabit service is actually configured to provide you with nearly 1.2Gb. VM does deliver close to 1.2Gb, but you will only use it if you wire up at least two devices to the Hub4 Ethernet ports and have them all cane the connection. In other words the 1.2Gbps config is designed to maximise the available downstream bandwidth for multiple users in a household.

You can , however, measure your connection speed if you have the Hub4 in full router mode by using VMs Realspeed tester created with SamKnows. It won't work in modem only mode, because your own router doesn't access the full speed. SamKnows won't even sense it.

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Edited by KilgoreTrout (Tue 04-Aug-20 13:56:44)

Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Aug-20 15:19:13
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The VM gigabit service is actually configured to provide you with nearly 1.2Gb. VM does deliver close to 1.2Gb, but you will only use it if you wire up at least two devices to the Hub4 Ethernet ports and have them all cane the connection.


I tried this, it didn't work.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Tue 04-Aug-20 16:21:23
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In reply to a post by KilgoreTrout:
The VM gigabit service is actually configured to provide you with nearly 1.2Gb. VM does deliver close to 1.2Gb, but you will only use it if you wire up at least two devices to the Hub4 Ethernet ports and have them all cane the connection.


I tried this, it didn't work.


Though of course it has to be in router mode, not modem. Should be fine to do that, the switch in it is more than capable.

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Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Aug-20 16:34:59
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Well I must of had a dud then because in 2 months of testing many methods I couldn't get it to acheive more than about 700/800mbps and that was if it didn't crash out or drop the wifi or whatever else it did.

Moved on now.

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Standard User KilgoreTrout
(newbie) Tue 04-Aug-20 17:21:28
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In modem mode I consistently get 940Mb/52Mb, wired connection. The tested full speed of the connection can only be measured through the SamKnows link I gave, but only in router mode.

Location: Coventry Cab CV826
Services: 500Mb /35Mb, V6 box X2, Phone XL Talk unlimited and mobile x4. SH3 modem mode with Asus RT-NAC88U

Edited by KilgoreTrout (Tue 04-Aug-20 17:25:38)

Standard User mlmclaren
(knowledge is power) Tue 04-Aug-20 19:23:51
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Never tried modem mode, seemed irrelevant as you say, max is 940mbps.

I've since moved to another address and left the Virgin connection at relatives, the Hub 4 still there in modem mode but only running 100/10 service service now.

Was going to leave Virgin all together but can't even get ADSL at that address now and Openreach taking a hell of a long time to rollout FTTP to underground lines across this Fibre First area.

But moved to a new address not too far away with OverHead Fibre so setup an account with IDnet

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