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Standard User teeerex
(newbie) Tue 01-Sep-20 10:45:23
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VM Service availability when local power cut ?


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Hi - I have installed local UPS devices on my equipment and VM Modem/Router but when there is a local power cut, I lose VM even though my equipment stays powered.

Is this normal ? I would have assumed the local VM street distribution equipment would also be UPS powered ?

Thanks.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Sep-20 10:53:56
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I think it depends on your area, and whom built the original network. We are lucky not to have many power cuts here, but I think it is normal. Not many VM cabinets are powered, the really large ones here make a lot of noise and I assume have the fibre to coax convertors.

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Standard User teeerex
(newbie) Tue 01-Sep-20 11:04:20
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ok thanks for the reply - that's a little disappointing.

I agree it's rare to have power cuts in the UK, but we've had a few lately and for home working I have to rely on 4G which is not good.

Would FTTC services also go down during a local power cut - as I may investigate that as a secondary connection ?


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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Sep-20 11:05:32
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In reply to a post by teeerex:
Would FTTC services also go down during a local power cut - as I may investigate that as a secondary connection ?

I think they have batteries in the cabinets, not sure how long they last. Our 4G services collapsed during the last power cut, as the local mast went off, and the distant masts were overloaded.

I drove to Starbucks, but that was 2018, so pre the pandemic.

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Standard User wolvesmad
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-Sep-20 12:09:37
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Re: VM Service availability when local power cut ?


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The MSAN's / fiber nodes (the bigger VM cabs) have a battery backup.

Normal cabinets do not.

BT FTTC cabinets have a battery backup.

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Edited by wolvesmad (Tue 01-Sep-20 12:11:16)

Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Tue 01-Sep-20 14:44:50
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Nearly all the cabinets are powered however I do not think the coaxial network has battery backup.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Sep-20 23:09:27
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VDSL2 cabinet should run for 8 hours on batteries and they can swap them out to replace with charged ones if outage is longer (takes 10 to 15 minutes)

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Standard User broadbandjockey
(member) Wed 02-Sep-20 10:56:40
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In my experience, the FTTC batteries lasted 6 hours in my cabinet. I only know that because the road the cab was in suffered a power cut, but my road was unaffected.
Standard User witchunt
(experienced) Wed 02-Sep-20 11:55:44
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6-8 hours is typical which covers the the vast majority of power outages
Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 02-Sep-20 16:29:12
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In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:
In my experience, the FTTC batteries lasted 6 hours in my cabinet. I only know that because the road the cab was in suffered a power cut, but my road was unaffected.


The length of time the batteries last depends on the number of active ports on the DSLAM and the condition of the batteries.
8 hours is a good average but in reality it can range from 4-12 hours.
I'm sure someone will be along to report their cabinet died within an hour or 2 but that's definitely not the norm.

During a big power outage in Leicester a few years ago there was a user on kitz reporting losing sync for 10 minutes every 8 hours over 3-4 days.
It was the DSLAM running on batteries and those batteries being changed every 8 hours.

That's pretty decent imo, especially compared with backup power options on various other networks.

Edited by j0hn83 (Wed 02-Sep-20 16:30:14)

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