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Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Mon 15-Mar-21 19:41:31
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Bigger Front Box?.


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My sister has just had the first part of her installation done and I’ve noticed the box on the front of her house isn’t the usual small box that virgin media normally use, it’s like a big square brown box quite ugly if truth is told, is this something new there using now, virgin is new to the area so not sure if it’s a new box there trialing now but when I used to have virgin years ago in my old area it was a smaller better looking box on the front of the house, why the change?.
Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Tue 16-Mar-21 22:52:22
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Anyone explain this?. Thanks.
Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Tue 16-Mar-21 23:05:26
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I don't know much about Virgin but I would guess this is a new installation using a fibre connection or technically RFOG (radio frequency over glass) Try searching for RFOG termination box and you will find it is a big square brown box with a fibre to co-axial converter inside.


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Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Tue 16-Mar-21 23:18:59
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Yeah I did do a little search and found the box that is on my sisters house, how come there not the smaller boxes anymore then, is this a new type of network or something that virgin has started to roll out which is why the boxes are bigger?.
Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Wed 17-Mar-21 08:20:15
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Yes it's a new fibre optic connection to the house that Virgin are doing in some areas where they are expanding the network. Then they convert the fibre signal back to the old co-axial cable connection in the termination box so the existing Virgin router can be used. The old cable system didn't need the converter, just a cable coming in through the wall.
Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Wed 17-Mar-21 15:11:51
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How is it better than the old network then, what are the improvements a customer will see, I’m guessing the small box they used to use has been totally abandoned now then as well?.
Standard User danielhyde
(member) Wed 17-Mar-21 15:30:21
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How is it better than the old network then, what are the improvements a customer will see, I’m guessing the small box they used to use has been totally abandoned now then as well?.


I have the larger brown box on my house and I still have the old non fibre connection.
They probably use the larger box on non fibre and fibre installs to save time/money

Thanks Dan
Standard User gary333
(experienced) Wed 17-Mar-21 20:36:02
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When you say larger box, do you have a picture of what you think a standard box is?

This is what the standard box for coax looks like and has done for year
https://dash.coolsmartphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2...

This is the larger FTTP box.
https://richardglover.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/...

If you mean the older slimline grey boxes, then they have not installed them for at least a decade.
Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Thu 18-Mar-21 09:07:43
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I don't know the technical details but the Virgin FTTP network is supposed to have greater capacity so less congestion giving improved latency which can be a big problem on the old coaxial system in some areas
Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Thu 18-Mar-21 16:09:10
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Yeah I mean the first ones to be fair the town I live in now has only just started getting cable it’s still only in a small area and my sister happens to be in that area so this is the first time for year since I’ve seen them install equipment, I had cable 20 years or so ago and only remember the smaller box which you showed I the first link which I prefer to be honest, don’t you think the bigger box looks a bit ugly to be on the front of the house that was definitely my first impression of it anyways, but I guess equipment changes.
Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Thu 18-Mar-21 16:10:13
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That’s great, well if it means improvements and less problems other people have been seeing with virgin then I guess it’s only a positive.
Standard User gary333
(experienced) Fri 19-Mar-21 14:40:48
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Yeah I mean the first ones to be fair the town I live in now has only just started getting cable it’s still only in a small area and my sister happens to be in that area so this is the first time for year since I’ve seen them install equipment, I had cable 20 years or so ago and only remember the smaller box which you showed I the first link which I prefer to be honest, don’t you think the bigger box looks a bit ugly to be on the front of the house that was definitely my first impression of it anyways, but I guess equipment changes.


Yes, I think all the boxes look terrible on the front of a house. I had Virgin Media put it down the side of my house to avoid this issue smile
Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Fri 19-Mar-21 18:39:52
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Why all the fuss about a fairly small box on the wall of the house? I'd have a container in the garden if it gave me FTTP.smile
Standard User gary333
(experienced) Fri 19-Mar-21 19:10:10
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Why all the fuss about a fairly small box on the wall of the house? I'd have a container in the garden if it gave me FTTP.smile


I don’t have FTTP.
Standard User DG834MAN
(member) Fri 02-Apr-21 14:25:19
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We had virgin installed a few weeks ago they didn't fit a cover, said it was only needed if a large chunk of the exterior wall comes out when drilling.
Standard User nemeth782
(committed) Fri 02-Apr-21 18:08:11
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Virgin traditionally use a HFC or "Hybrid Fibre/Coax" network. In a way like FTTC - fibre goes to the street cabinet (which is powered) then coax to the individual houses. This is the older, smaller box. They use a protocol called DOCSIS for this, in most areas DOCSIS3.0 is used, in Gig1 areas, DOCSIS3.1 is used (although only on the downstream right now). This is why Gig1 needs a new modem.

Their new areas, where they are rolling out now, they use "RFoG", or "Radio Frequency over Glass". They save significant cost by putting fibre direct to the premises. This means they don't need power to their cabinets, which are now passive devices. The larger box houses a fibre media converter, that has the fibre go in one side, and coax come out the other (for the superhub, TV boxes etc). This device also needs power, so there is a wall wart indoors.

The newer option is better, in that the coax is only a couple of metres long so has less chance for interference. In theory it allows for higher bandwidth future services, as they can push GPON over the same fibre if they want, but it seems VM are reluctant to do this as they want to offer the same products nationwide.

In many ways however, it's the exact same protocol, with the exact same issues, over a different type of physical medium. It's still DOCSIS, it's still subject to contention, it still has significantly higher latency than VDSL/FTTC let alone what most people call FTTP. It still has limited upload speeds (although future DOCSIS versions might improve this).

While RFoG technically *is* FTTP, I wouldn't put it in the same category as GPON, XGPON, etc as other providers (BT, Cityfibre, etc) are deploying.
Standard User nemeth782
(committed) Fri 02-Apr-21 18:09:06
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Why all the fuss about a fairly small box on the wall of the house? I'd have a container in the garden if it gave me FTTP.smile


I don’t have FTTP.


Technically, if you have the larger box, you do. The box is large as the fibre converter is in it. You have fibre, to the property. FTTP.
Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Fri 02-Apr-21 18:43:02
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I have no idea what @gary333 has from Virgin but I don't think he got my joke about having a very large box to get FTTP.smile
Standard User gary333
(experienced) Sat 03-Apr-21 14:21:15
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Why all the fuss about a fairly small box on the wall of the house? I'd have a container in the garden if it gave me FTTP.smile


I don’t have FTTP.


Technically, if you have the larger box, you do. The box is large as the fibre converter is in it. You have fibre, to the property. FTTP.


I suggest you read the history of this thread. This is nothing to do with my setup. For the record I have RG11 coax.
Standard User gary333
(experienced) Sat 03-Apr-21 14:25:00
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We had virgin installed a few weeks ago they didn't fit a cover, said it was only needed if a large chunk of the exterior wall comes out when drilling.


This is just lazy installers, probably contractors. The box should always be fitted. My last house didn't have one fitted upon the second install as I mentioned the cable had already been patched twice. To prevent them needing to repull the cable they just didn't bother with the box to prevent another connection. Bodgers.
Standard User tomxlisa
(committed) Wed 05-May-21 17:24:30
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Thanks for that detailed explanation, I’m guessing from reading all that then that something like cityfibre is a better service than virgin media, unfortunately I can’t get virgin media as they have only just brought their services to the town so are only in one small area at the moment but thankfully cityfibre have laid cables where I am so I can get that soon, which will be around 900mb down and 900mb up, so far superior to virgin media on the upload, the latency seems okay with my sister virgin media though it comes back about 16ms, but saying that I have seen some cityfibre services come back around 6ms so slightly better, it does seem though from all the reading that a cityfibre service is probably better than a virgin media internet service and most people would pick it given the options?.
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