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Standard User Binary_Digit
(regular) Mon 04-Jun-18 17:13:02
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Vodafone Ultrafast/Gigafast (Cityfibre 1Gb rollout)


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Seems they were telling the world it would be H12018... which is now upon us. Has there been any rumours or news of an actual launch date. Here in Aberdeen they have finished laying fibre in the 1st phase (big chunk of the city basically, 100km of network in Dec 2017) a good while ago, same in my home city Edinburgh...

My contract for FTTC is up in a few weeks..

Edited by Binary_Digit (Tue 05-Jun-18 01:14:32)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 04-Jun-18 19:27:41
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If using financial talk, H1 2018 can be April to October

Suspect you might see some local marketing first ahead of the big 'press' launch e.g. leaflets through letter box to get a few early signups and give the installers a ramp up before the big demand of a big launch.

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Standard User robertcrowther
(committed) Mon 04-Jun-18 20:18:19
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Re: Vodafone Ultrafast/Gigafast (Cityfibre 1Gb rollout)


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If you are talking financial then it would not refer as dates because the H refers to the word "Hypothesis"

In the case of H1 2018 it just means sometime in 2018

https://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/H1
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/H1.html

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 04-Jun-18 21:25:26
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Guess its wait and see then

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Standard User bowdon
(committed) Fri 08-Jun-18 22:20:30
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Re: Vodafone Ultrafast/Gigafast (Cityfibre 1Gb rollout)


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There is another guy waiting on this too.

The last time I checked through all the CityFibre information I read they were aiming to offer it by mid-2018.

I've not heard any update since. I guess you'll have to keep your eyes peeled about it and let us know.

It will be interesting to hear of the install process and performance.

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Standard User Binary_Digit
(regular) Sun 10-Jun-18 13:52:46
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In a strange coincidence just after this post I received an email just thanking me for showing interest. So they must realise people like me have twigged it should be time now! If and then it happens, i'll document the install process.

In reference to :
Thanks for your interest in Vodafone Gigafast Broadband - coming soon to selected UK cities.

Raising the bar for UK broadband
Vodafone Gigafast is full-fibre broadband, which sets a new standard for speed, reliability and near-unlimited bandwidth. It delivers speeds of up to 1 gigabit per second (1,000Mbps), meaning you’ll be able to stream movies, download music and browse your favourite sites faster than ever before.

We’re working hard to bring Vodafone Gigafast Broadband to you as soon as possible and we’ll be back in touch soon with more news.

Thank you,
Vodafone
Standard User epyon
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 19-Sep-18 20:51:40
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I was told installs should be starting end of oct/ early nov


Where i live i can order 500/500 package right now on a business plan but its £239/pm laugh
Standard User mrnelster
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 14-Oct-18 02:13:30
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It’s starting in Milton Keynes about now. I’ve been involved with the construction of a “Gigafast Cafe” and Vodaphome have a “Gigafast” truck with six reps trying to push it (the product that is, not the bus).

They tell me that it’s standalone from all existing infrastructure, and that they are building “mini exchanges”. Not sure how true that is, but have just read this on the City Fibre website:

Our purpose-built full fibre and duct network is independent from all other infrastructure providers, making it ideal for those seeking resilience or a fresh, agile alternative to existing suppliers.

Can anybody explain the route theory to me? Would it still be reliant on BT backbone services?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sun 14-Oct-18 08:48:43
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In reply to a post by mrnelster:
Our purpose-built full fibre and duct network is independent from all other infrastructure providers, making it ideal for those seeking resilience or a fresh, agile alternative to existing suppliers.

Can anybody explain the route theory to me? Would it still be reliant on BT backbone services?


I think only Cityfibre can answer that, but FWIW Hyperoptic - who also make similar claims - use Openreach leased fibre in some cases (eg central London). Even if Cityfibre do use BT/Openreach leased fibre backhaul somewhere along the line, they will have total control over it. Also don't be surprised if Cityfibre use BT exchanges to house their fibre head end hardware in some locations, ie leased space from BT. They can't just build brand new mini-exchanges wherever they like, especially not in congested city centres.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 14-Oct-18 13:45:48
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The CityFibre model very much relies on not using BT Group fibre assets, i.e. they push dark fibre via their metro networks - which is a bit different to the GPON Vodafone roll-out but tells you a lot about the core network.

I also doubt they will be using leased space in a BT exchange either, their network layout does not follow the old Openreach loop they are designing from scratch and when you do that the existing exchange network is often not the logical location.

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Standard User mrnelster
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 14-Oct-18 22:21:23
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
The CityFibre model very much relies on not using BT Group fibre assets, i.e. they push dark fibre via their metro networks - which is a bit different to the GPON Vodafone roll-out but tells you a lot about the core network.


Can you expand on that please? Are you saying that you suspect the Vodaphone/City Fibre team-up is not the same product as the other City Fibre offerings?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 14-Oct-18 23:56:56
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[re: mrnelster] [link to this post]
 
Vodafone Gigafast is GPON

Most other business metro network type services are point to point fibre, with dark fibre i.e. you light at whatever speed takes your fancy

So yes Vodafone Gigafast is going to be very different to the core product which is the large council building network links etc

So yes not all full fibre is created equally

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Standard User mrnelster
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 15-Oct-18 07:08:39
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Re: Vodafone Ultrafast/Gigafast (Cityfibre 1Gb rollout)


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Thanks.

So how does that impact the earlier question of separate infrastructure? I have read that the telephone element of Vofafone’s Gigafast offer is actually VOIP. I have also read that jitter, buffer bloat, and more specifically 100ms of latency starts to cause problems for VOIP, so you would expect the service would have to be particularly stable in terms of quality to avoid jitter?

So contention at peak times would also need not to be an issue. Do you know what minimums are guaranteed, in comparison to FTTC? If I remember correctly it is 15Mbps with Plusnet, as I am currently close enough to the cabinet.

I read about Vodaphone Gigafast here.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 15-Oct-18 11:51:53
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So how does that impact the earlier question of separate infrastructure?

i.e. the two infrastructures are separate and is a key part of the low cost of roll-out they are aiming at

If a full fibre voip service cannot get VOIP latency under 100 ms then it will not exist for long and would very quickly become a white elephant. i.e. no reason why latency for voip should be any more than any other FTTP service.

Contention at peak times - that all depends on a lot of unknowns. Guaranteed speeds not seen any mention of them.

NOTE: The PlusNet 15 Mbps is only across the Openreach controlled segment, once you hit the handover node that figure is history.

NOTE: VoIP can have very different guarantees compared to Internet traffic.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 15-Oct-18 12:36:49
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There's been a few reports of Vodafone FTTC services (even using their own backhaul so nothing to do with BT Wholesale) slowing down at peak times so let's hope their FTTP service performs better. Will be interesting to see if their own backhaul fibre (ex-C&W) is also used for FTTP connections or if it will be be 100% CityFibre fibre all the way to Vodafone's data centres. Obviously fibre from the home to the nearest PoP/exchange will be Cityfibre's network.

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Standard User ConorMK
(knowledge is power) Thu 25-Oct-18 14:05:50
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They have been working on my street In Bletchley and the one at the end for the last week. Digging up the footpath and laying new cable. Streets are a bit of a mess but hopefully will be worth it.

Conor

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Standard User mrnelster
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 16-Mar-19 17:55:31
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They’re due to start digging here in Crownhill over the next few days. Did you sign up for it yet?
Standard User ConorMK
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Mar-19 15:16:34
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No, not signed up yet. Need to persuade my wife that it would be worth it

Conor

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Mar-19 15:26:42
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In reply to a post by ConorMK:
They have been working on my street In Bletchley and the one at the end for the last week. Digging up the footpath and laying new cable. Streets are a bit of a mess but hopefully will be worth it.


Any chance of a picture of their devastation?

They're attacking pavements in this city soon.

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Standard User mrnelster
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 19-Mar-19 19:10:38
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With the VOIP phone service included, the 500/500 package will cost approximately the same as my current Plusnet package, as they didn’t include line rental when I signed up.
Standard User ConorMK
(knowledge is power) Thu 28-Mar-19 11:59:20
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The 500/500 is £20 more expensive for me at £38 a month but the uplift in speed is a lot more.

Conor

There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation
BQM
Standard User arfster
(knowledge is power) Thu 28-Mar-19 16:02:29
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In reply to a post by ConorMK:
The 500/500 is £20 more expensive for me at £38 a month but the uplift in speed is a lot more.


Still a good deal I think. My BT FTTP is £60/mth for 314/50!
Standard User epyon
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 21-Apr-19 18:31:04
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they just finished my road

it looks ummmm not so great lol

http://i.epvpimg.com/bfaEgab.jpg pic

Edited by epyon (Sun 21-Apr-19 20:33:41)

Standard User venomizer2010
(newbie) Sun 28-Apr-19 12:07:03
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Still waiting patiently in Monkston Park for them to come here. Annoyingly I'm now at contract renewal with my BT FTTP service and don't know what to do... They only offer 18-month contract renewals now. I can see me signing up to a new 18-month contract (say 150/30 for £45/month) only for CF/VF to arrive a month later where I could've got 500/500 for £33/month frown
Standard User Rolandrat
(committed) Sun 28-Apr-19 19:47:59
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In reply to a post by epyon:
they just finished my road

it looks ummmm not so great lol

http://i.epvpimg.com/bfaEgab.jpg pic


Wow that does look a bit rough, but in a years time it will probably blend in.
TBH if I could get 1Gb fibre, id have them come through my house if they wanted to!
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Mon 29-Apr-19 21:25:01
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Thanks. Narrow trenching, 100mm, with laterals spurring off. Fairly normal stuff. VM's contractors have been somewhat tidier than that with their FTTP, though.

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Standard User max360
(regular) Sat 04-May-19 00:11:45
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Not bad. What's the cabinet for ?

ISP: BT - FTTP 330Mb/50Mb
ISP: PlusNet - FTTC - 80Mb/20Mb

Birmingham Fibre First Program: FTTP - BT Ultra fast fibre 2 plus package - 330Mb down 50Mb up.

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Standard User connormill
(member) Sun 05-May-19 21:53:56
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In reply to a post by max360:
Not bad. What's the cabinet for ?


The PON Splitters with backhaul to the rest of the network
Standard User ConorMK
(knowledge is power) Thu 30-May-19 13:02:20
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[re: Binary_Digit] [link to this post]
 
Has anyone actually gone for this and what is the performance like?

Conor

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Standard User connormill
(member) Thu 30-May-19 22:25:38
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In reply to a post by ConorMK:
Has anyone actually gone for this and what is the performance like?


Yup,

I'm on the 500 package for £33 per month and love it.

The supplied router is OK but limited in Config so I'm using my own MikroTik hEX S and UBNT UniFi WiFi network.

I get around 360-410mbps on WiFi and 550mbps on Wired.

Never noticed any congestion. already on my street of around 40 homes at least 10 have signed up and installations only went live in May

Openreach must be worried about this. everyone i know who is in coverage will be switching as soon as their contracts are up
Standard User vegito
(newbie) Tue 04-Jun-19 17:23:19
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So I have just moved into a flat and noticed (from Cityfibre's network image for Glasgow, and based on roadworks.org data) that they are running lots of fibre around 2 streets away from me, actually on one side its just past my street.

I have spoken with Vodafone live chat agents, who (to my surprise) reckon that my address in my postcode is currently marked down as "work in progress" for Gigafast and it should be available to order in 2/3 months time.

However I can see from roadworks.org that there are no plans to come down my street, just very close by it.

Are Vodafone right here? Is it possible I will be able to be connected even if I can't find any roadwork planned for my street specifically?

Seems too good to be true.
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(staff) Tue 04-Jun-19 17:46:18
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[re: vegito] [link to this post]
 
CityFibre generally build their metro network first, which will probably include the break outs for a further FTTP roll-out.

To come down your street they will either

a) Need to put in their own trench i.e. roadworks
or
b) Plan might be to use Openreach ducts and save on the amount of road works needed

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Standard User vegito
(newbie) Tue 04-Jun-19 18:14:23
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Hmm, I dont think there are many FTTP properties nearby so not sure how much ducting there is (unless you mean alongside the copper).

So it's still possible then. I wonder where Vodafone get their info from.
Standard User vegito
(newbie) Tue 04-Jun-19 18:27:31
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I want to believe it's happening so badly. I just don't know how accurate Vodafones info is and where its coming from.

That said, there is another long road in which I know 100% they are laying fibre down, but there is not lots of roadworks on it (just 1 roadwork notice where that road junctions with another) so maybe they are borrowing openreach ducting
Standard User epyon
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 04-Jun-19 18:33:50
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If they are just laying their initial metro network it would be more like 8-12 months till you can order as they still have to do your street.

At least this is what happen with me
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 05-Jun-19 12:04:34
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A duct is a duct, does not matter if fibre or copper in it

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Standard User vegito
(newbie) Fri 07-Jun-19 15:22:10
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Would Cityfibre even share those plans, about which streets (off of their initial metro network) they would cable up? I have spoken to another couple of Vodafone agents and they seem very sure that it will be available.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 07-Jun-19 18:47:33
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[re: vegito] [link to this post]
 
Their check seems to give different behaviour for some areas, i.e. if it Gigafast checker redirects to just superfast then you are certainly not in the short term plans

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