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Standard User RR_The_IT_Guy
(committed) Wed 22-Jun-22 19:33:56
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Sipgate Outage


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Hi all,
Anyone noticed that Sipgate is down this afternoon, can't make incoming or outgoing calls on all three of my lines.

Someone talked about reliability of SIP services

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Many Thanks,
RR-THE-IT-GUY
Virgin Media M500

Talktalk 2014-2018 → Virgin Media Vivid 50 2018-2019 → Virgin Media M100 2020-05/2022 → Virgin Media M500

Edited by RR_The_IT_Guy (Wed 22-Jun-22 19:34:11)

Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Wed 22-Jun-22 22:44:41
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I have read on the Plusnet forum ,,,

Sipgate have experienced a major power outage where the servers are located
Standard User RR_The_IT_Guy
(committed) Thu 23-Jun-22 00:14:15
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In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:
I have read on the Plusnet forum ,,,

Sipgate have experienced a major power outage where the servers are located


You would think that they had redundancy
at least like to think.

I mean even a generator or a second datacentre for failover.

I bet they will now be considering what they can do in future.

I mean its better its something like this than a hack.

I tried to read the sipgate status page but its all in german and not being a german speaker its very hard for me to understand even with google translate.

It's quite disappointing that they hadn't planned for a common occurance like this.

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Standard User amiga_dude
(member) Thu 23-Jun-22 06:50:47
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It is so common to happen for Sipgate, when did this happen before?

Things happen, it way of world.

Openreach has never lost connection ever. This is more common then Sipgate having power failure.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/05/openre...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-6...
https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/20206333.o...
Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Thu 23-Jun-22 07:45:11
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Although the problem was in just one of their data centres it appears there was no redundancy so the power loss took alsmost everything out. Google translate worked pretty well for me. Here's some extracts from the status page

Jun 22, 4:23pm CEST
website
telephony
past events
Unresolved incident: failure of data center Failure of large parts of the telephony.
Jun 22, 4:28pm BST
Identified - The issue has been identified and a fix is ​​being implemented.
Jun 22, 5:29pm BST
Update - Due to a power failure in one of our data centers, telephony is currently only available to our customers to a very limited extent. We are currently examining the exact effects and possible solutions.

And the latest status report

Failure of data center Failure of large parts of the telephony
Monitoring - The data center is online again. We sweep up the last shards. If necessary, please switch mobile devices to flight mode and back once so that they can log in again.
Jun 23, 01:23 AM CEST
Update - Our network components in the previously failed data center are now all powered again.

Mobile telephony, mobile data connections and VoIP telephony are mostly available again.
Standard User E300
(committed) Thu 23-Jun-22 09:06:52
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We seem to be heading to less reliability compared to the old telephone system. EE and Sipgate both failed yesterday, I'm with both and lost all ability to make normal telephone calls. No big deal as had WhatsApp and a choice of conference options online to continue working, but just goes to show even having a back up option isn't always much of a backup. Could the outages have been related, same kit in the same data centre?
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 23-Jun-22 10:09:28
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Those are different types of failures.

You can mitigate against a data centre power outage by having a back up supply or fail over to another centre. With theft - how can you deal with it? You cannot. Roadworks going through cables - you can tell the contractors where it is, but if they do go through it, there is a problem.


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Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Thu 23-Jun-22 10:35:22
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I had intermittent connectivity during that outage yesterday. They haven’t really had any major outages like this in the 10 years I’ve been using them. Some small outages lasting an hour or so perhaps.

A datacentre wide power failure is bad, but almost impossible to mitigate against on a single site basis. Presumably a colo facility.

At least it didn’t burn down.
Standard User phoenixw
(newbie) Thu 23-Jun-22 11:24:07
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What annoyed me was that the sipgateukstatus twitter account was thoroughly useless, they posted a tweet saying that the login page was broken about an hour after the lines went down, and have only just added a "oh yeah, SIP was broken, too."
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 23-Jun-22 12:07:20
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In reply to a post by E300:
We seem to be heading to less reliability compared to the old telephone system?
I wonder if we are paying too little for VoIP services so the providers are not building any resilience. But there was only one pair of wires from your home to the Exchange, and only one Exchange. If the power went off at the Exchange, services failed. Resilient power didn't always work smile

EE's failure seems to have been with their Voice over 4G, and Voice over WiFi services which both make use of a VoIP platform known as IMS (all the mobile telcos have an IMS). I suspect the BT group will be doing a lot of digging as to why this went wrong - as it also appeared to be regional.

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Edited by jchamier (Thu 23-Jun-22 12:07:54)

Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Thu 23-Jun-22 16:16:54
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In reply to a post by E300:
We seem to be heading to less reliability compared to the old telephone system. EE and Sipgate both failed yesterday, I'm with both and lost all ability to make normal telephone calls. No big deal as had WhatsApp and a choice of conference options online to continue working, but just goes to show even having a back up option isn't always much of a backup. Could the outages have been related, same kit in the same data centre?

It’s been way, way, way more reliable than my old BT line which used to routinely have issues. The worst was when the engineers re-jumpered us all (after a fault) and we all ended up with our neighbours numbers for a week or so…
Standard User broadbandjockey
(committed) Fri 24-Jun-22 08:04:10
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I made a test call to my Sipgate line yesterday (Thur 24th) at 08:30hrs, and left a voice mail.

The voice mail wasn't flagged, in fact there was no evidence of it all, or even my 'missed' call in the activity list on my portal.

Tried again last night, and all good
Standard User E300
(committed) Fri 24-Jun-22 08:38:26
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In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:
I made a test call to my Sipgate line yesterday (Thur 24th) at 08:30hrs, and left a voice mail.

The voice mail wasn't flagged, in fact there was no evidence of it all, or even my 'missed' call in the activity list on my portal.

Tried again last night, and all good


I've had exactly this. We missed a call (we heard the line ring and knew who it was but couldn't answer) and they left a message they said, but we had no notification of the missed call or message where we should have received an email, and logging into the account the call wasn't logged in the event list on the portal, like you, no record of the call having ever happened. This was a good few weeks ago. I tried a test call and it worked fine, so put it down to just a one of oddity, but perhaps it wasn't.

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Standard User broadbandjockey
(committed) Fri 24-Jun-22 09:45:09
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In reply to a post by E300:
In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:
I made a test call to my Sipgate line yesterday (Thur 24th) at 08:30hrs, and left a voice mail.

The voice mail wasn't flagged, in fact there was no evidence of it all, or even my 'missed' call in the activity list on my portal.

Tried again last night, and all good


I've had exactly this. We missed a call (we heard the line ring and knew who it was but couldn't answer) and they left a message they said, but we had no notification of the missed call or message where we should have received an email, and logging into the account the call wasn't logged in the event list on the portal, like you, no record of the call having ever happened. This was a good few weeks ago. I tried a test call and it worked fine, so put it down to just a one of oddity, but perhaps it wasn't.


Interesting. I signed up with Sipgate Basic a couple of weeks ago, to assess the service to replace our rarely used landline when FTTP finally arrives. We have very few genuine incoming calls, so I don't want anything gold plated, but I do rather like the logging and notification features regarding incoming calls and VM.

I'll pay attention to the reliability over the coming months....
Standard User phoenixw
(newbie) Fri 24-Jun-22 09:47:35
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The blog entry about the outage makes good reading, Google Translate does a good job of it!

https://www.sipgate.de/blog/infos-zur-stoerung-der-s...
Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Fri 24-Jun-22 10:38:32
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In reply to a post by phoenixw:
The blog entry about the outage makes good reading, Google Translate does a good job of it!

https://www.sipgate.de/blog/infos-zur-stoerung-der-s...


Good shout. Google Translation below for ease...


Disruption in one of our data centers
Steffen 06/23/2022 59 3:28 min
There was an outage yesterday, June 22nd, which meant that our telephony and our logins were largely restricted. The reason: After the power supply of one of the data centers we use was cut off by an excavator shovel, the data center went offline after a series of breakdowns. And with it our telephony. Of course, our sipgate emergency team got to work immediately. But it took from around 4 p.m. until just after midnight before all the systems were running correctly again.

What happened at the data center?

Our contingency plans provide for uninterrupted operations in the data centers that we use. Through a chain of unfortunate circumstances, however, exactly these plans were thrown overboard. At 4:18 p.m. it was clear to us that things weren't right and the data center was without power. About an hour earlier, the power cable was cut by an excavator. If the power is gone, the uninterruptible power supply (UPS) jumps into the breach to bridge the gap with battery power. Then a diesel generator takes over at the data center. However, it heated up so much that after about an hour of operation it triggered a fire alarm and then switched itself off completely in an emergency. Our data center service provider is currently finding out why this could happen.

Our emergency and redundancy system

Each of the two data centers we use carries around half of the sipgate telephony load. When one failed and calls routed there could no longer be put through, the other was not able to absorb all the traffic as planned. We have a variety of failover mechanisms for emergencies, which unfortunately not all worked.

What did we do?

Our emergency team rerouted immediately and in many different places, redistributed loads and traffic to the proxy servers, changed the deployment and did what we could do until late at night and under high pressure. We have kept our customers up to date in our status blog. Around 5:30 p.m., VoIP telephony looked better again and most of the calls were made. The problem here: Our connection to the Telekom network was offline. But we were able to gradually reroute outgoing calls to other carriers. It was different with the incoming calls, which all went through equipment that was still disrupted and therefore didn't work. Nevertheless: With VoIP telephony things looked better again relatively quickly. Quite the opposite with mobile communications, where we had problems for a total of six hours because the network log-on or the switch over to the second data center did not work as desired.

Around midnight, all of our components in the data center, which had previously had no power, were supplied with power again. At 1:23 a.m. the data center was completely online and most of our telephony was restored.

What did we learn?

We couldn't do anything for the trigger of yesterday's exceptional situation. But: Our emergency and redundancy system was not up to the situation and needs to be improved. We now look at what exactly did not work well at which point, where we identified bottlenecks, dead ends and missing redundancies. And then we will draw conclusions from it. In other words: we will make ourselves even more fail-safe, we will have more machines, we will make additional connections. We are sorry that yesterday afternoon went the way it went for our customers. Thanks for your understanding!
You can find more information about yesterday's outage and general disruptions at sipgate in our status blog.

Update from June 23, 2:30 p.m.: As a result of the sudden, massive failure, things broke, of course. We are currently repairing them. Not all services are working as we would like them to. Among other things, we still have problems in the account with the announcements, waiting field, event list, fax and notifications by e-mail.
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